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Old 04-12-2016, 01:14
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The problem is for older acts (as in 25+) although they're not old in the real music world, Syco are only interested in bubble gum, disposable kiddy pop and so they don't stand sa chance.
Syco are not about building a career, they're about cheap fast lazy easy cash and anyone who doesn't fit into their narrow box is onto a loser from day one
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:17
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Sia is also very well known as a SONGWRITER. She writes songs for herself and other superstars. She got her current recording contract because she wrote hits for others.
Yep, she wrote Titanium at 35 and Diamonds at 36 after taking a backseat from her solo career. The success with those led to her breakthrough hit with Chandelier at 38.

Sia shows that 29 really isn't too late to launch a pop career and I think it is no coincidence that Saara chose her song for the audition.
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:19
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Blondie I agree syco is about pop but labyrinth is on his label and he doesn't do pop per se his music is very good, also Ella to an extent doesnt do overly pop! Syco are subtlety changing things up I've noticed,
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:24
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Chalk and cheese. Sia's a songwriter plus she's an enigma. Saara's someone who's been doing the rounds of talent shows and not won or got herself a proper recording contract so far. She won't have a chart career. Theatre, or cruise ships, or panto maybe, but I don't think she'll be troublng the charts.
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:26
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The problem is for older acts (as in 25+) although they're not old in the real music world, Syco are only interested in bubble gum, disposable kiddy pop and so they don't stand sa chance.
Syco are not about building a career, they're about cheap fast lazy easy cash and anyone who doesn't fit into their narrow box is onto a loser from day one
You are right to a certain degree but in all honesty I'm pretty sure that Saara would never ever been known if it wasn't for this show. Many artists have started late in their pop careers and built a successful career for themselves. I mean Jay-Z (yes I know he is a rapper but still) started late with his debut album Reasonable Doubt in 1996 and look at him now - did they need to go on talent shows? Nope!
Saara is more Sam Bailey-esque kind of singer - good but forgettable
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:32
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I think bottom line is age doesn't matter it's the type of act you are and how cool you come across image is very important in pop world! and if you are a later bloomer to get a proper record deal so what - if you have the right look image voice (for radio) and good tunes, Connections and really hustle and work hard to improve you can really be successful regardless if you're 18 or 28!! If you have the USP to be marketed to a younger audience that will buy and stream then they won't care how old you are
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:35
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The only ones that are marketable are 5AM and that will be two albums that are some what commercially successful at best

Matt Terry could have a successful winner's single and maybe an xmas album for middle aged housewives and grannies but he won't be a chart topping success like Bieber or Drake

Emily could also have a successful winner's single but will be forgotten about next year, I can see her having some sort of acting/panto career in Scotland though, maybe UK wide if she's lucky

Saara might have some success in Finland if that's the thing they like over there but she's a flop waiting to happen in the UK
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:35
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What did I say on Page 1:
Age Ain't Nothing But A Number (which is what I've been saying)
A great album and title track by the late Aaliyah
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:35
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This "desperation" was certainly not on display this weekend. Far from it.
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:37
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You are right to a certain degree but in all honesty I'm pretty sure that Saara would never ever been known if it wasn't for this show. Many artists have started late in their pop careers and built a successful career for themselves. I mean Jay-Z (yes I know he is a rapper but still) started late with his debut album Reasonable Doubt in 1996 and look at him now - did they need to go on talent shows? Nope!
Saara is more Sam Bailey-esque kind of singer - good but forgettable
A lot of her original stuff is far more current and risky than XF is showing- No fear is incredible and sounds very current/different- She''s not just a belting balladeer and I sense that Simon can see a way to market her- And if not, always ESC 2018
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:37
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The only ones that are marketable are 5AM and that will be two albums that are some what commercially successful at best

Matt Terry could have a successful winner's single and maybe an xmas album for middle aged housewives and grannies but he won't be a chart topping success like Bieber or Drake

Emily could also have a successful winner's single but will be forgotten about next year, I can see her having some sort of acting/panto career in Scotland though, maybe UK wide if she's lucky

Saara might have some success in Finland if that's the thing they like over there but she's a flop waiting to happen in the UK
I agree with you here and yes out of the 4 left, I think 5am would be the most marketable despite their cheesiness
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:39
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A lot of her original stuff is far more current and risky than XF is showing- No fear is incredible and sounds very current/different- She''s not just a belting balladeer and I sense that Simon can see a way to market her- And if not, always ESC 2018
She will still flop post X Factor
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:39
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I think 5AM show the most potential if they win I think they would be the safest bet for syco
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:40
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I think 5AM show the most potential if they win I think they would be the safest bet for syco
Totally agree with you here
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Old 04-12-2016, 10:32
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Saara is not marketable in the pop world - sorry Saara fans, it is the truth
It isn't the truth, it's your opinion, there's a difference.
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Old 04-12-2016, 10:37
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I think 5AM show the most potential if they win I think they would be the safest bet for syco
They're definitely the most marketable to fill the current boyband gap.
They're also the ones who will do everything they're told and be easy to mould
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Old 04-12-2016, 10:41
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The problem is for older acts (as in 25+) although they're not old in the real music world, Syco are only interested in bubble gum, disposable kiddy pop and so they don't stand sa chance.
Syco are not about building a career, they're about cheap fast lazy easy cash and anyone who doesn't fit into their narrow box is onto a loser from day one
There's no such thing as counterfeit music; all music is real music.

A lot of her original stuff is far more current and risky than XF is showing- No fear is incredible and sounds very current/different- She''s not just a belting balladeer and I sense that Simon can see a way to market her- And if not, always ESC 2018
I think that her ability to write her own songs is definitely a strength she can tap into. No one really knows how she will do. Seems interesting that we have half the people saying the producers want Matt and half saying they want Emily out.
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Old 04-12-2016, 11:15
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Even if Saara loses to Matt in the final, she'll have done extremely well. I do think Matt will probably win. I'm not bothered anyway. Either a Saara or Matt win for me.
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Old 04-12-2016, 11:15
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There's only one tiny problem with Syco being able to market 5AM: they really cannot sing, they can't dance that well, their image is one of a bunch of 'trying-too-hard' schoolboys, and they aren't exactly good-looking.

You can work on some of these things if the band justify it, but to expect Simon to fix ALL of them? It's surely the end for them?
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Old 04-12-2016, 11:25
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There's only one tiny problem with Syco being able to market 5AM: they really cannot sing, they can't dance that well, their image is one of a bunch of 'trying-too-hard' schoolboys, and they aren't exactly good-looking.

You can work on some of these things if the band justify it, but to expect Simon to fix ALL of them? It's surely the end for them?
Lads don't have to be gorgeous/very good looking in order to sell albums and sell out concerts. You'd be surprised at how many girls would scream for them if 5 After Midnight took off like One Direction luckily did after the tour ends. The question is though, would girls take to 5 After Midnight after the tour ends? They might, they might not. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.
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Old 04-12-2016, 11:31
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I think Madonna started in her mid 20s
True, and if you are going simply for a pop career then they are generally short lived. There are artists out there that sell a lot of records but don't fit into that category. Whether they get played on Radio 1 is not important to them having a good career with a huge following. Rock bands know this. Listed below a few acts that either started a little later in life or are still commanding huge audiences.

Imelda May
Warren Haynes
The Stones
Rush
...................

Just a few random ones I know, but this program annoys me because it propagates the massive lie that there is only one route and that is the one that the likes of the Cowell use. It's lazy, it's backwards and as we saw when artists started using the internet to get themselves out there, ultimately it will collapse.
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Old 04-12-2016, 11:34
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I absolutely love the phrase 'He's been thrown under a fleet of buses!', but yeah, Simon has been criticising Matt for weeks and giving praise where it simply isn't warranted for others, so I'm not sure how he (as the show's big boss) can be hoping for a Matt win. I don't think negative psychology works.

At the risk of bringing Virtuoso out-of his burrow, the only thing that would seem to make sense (given that Saara likely won't have a career post X Factor UK as demonstrated by the fact that she's a veteran of these shows and is famous in Europe but still isn't a star), is that Simon wants Matt to come *second* in-order to take the pressure off him and give Simon's company time to nurture him.
I heard that James graham from stereo kicks is about to release some music, and Simon fears that there is not room in the marketplace for two new solo male pop stars so Simon may either, as you say, take his time with Matt or ....not give him a record deal. Which means manipulating Matt out of the competition.

Mind you I normally don't believe conspiracy theories so who knows. ?!
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Old 04-12-2016, 12:12
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Can't argue with you their blondie - they are deffo the most marketable and we have lack of boy bands now One D have gone their separate ways!
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Old 04-12-2016, 12:29
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I still think from the word go they wanted a male winner this year and they made no bones about it.

Hence the overpraising of Matt and 5am, they didn't want another female in the crowded X factor market and males generally don't happen for the act post show.

It's also the main reason Caitlin was axed at judges houses as she would have romped to victory as well, Emily wasn't seen as winning material so was less of a thread.

Despite all that they may well get another female winner
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