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#126 |
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Yep, the only way that Corbyn's "movement" is going is down the pan.
Labour have won 5, the Conservatives 2 and the Lib Dems 1. Labour have enjoyed a 100% success rate in by-elections. That's hardly the record of a party 'going down the pan.' The results in Richmond and S & NE don't tell us anything about Labour, other than they are not competitive in seats in which they have never been competitive. |
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#127 |
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So a clear mandate for a Hard Brexit then.
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#128 |
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The results in Richmond and S & NE don't tell us anything about Labour, other than they are not competitive in seats in which they have never been competitive.
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The new MP campaigned to stay in the Single Market, so a clear mandate for a soft Brexit
![]() edit, I lied, two then. |
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Pro brexit stronghold returns pro-brexit majority! Will the media be as amazed as Richmond? I guess no, this will be largely ignored.
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One thing that everyone needs to bear in mind is just how low the Lib Dems sank in 2015. It's inevitable that in almost any by-election now that you're going to see an increase in vote for them (at Labour's expense in many areas). I mean, if you look at the 2010 result they finished second in the Sleaford and North Hykeman seat with Labour on third, so this is really just a reversion to that position (with the added increase for UKIP which has happened since).
I'm not saying for a moment that Labour shouldn't be worried about this - they should. Between a Lib Dem recovery and UKIP holding on to their vote share in the north Labour could find themselves in trouble in marginal seats. The issue is though that there's no obvious way to deal with the situation - if they re-embrace New Labour it will just mean more votes lost to UKIP and lower turnout among their base, if they adopt any of UKIP's rhetoric they will lose votes to the Lib Dems. |
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#131 |
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So a clear mandate for a Hard Brexit then.
Given the Tory is in favour of single market, as are Labour and of course, the LibDems, it means 13.5% want a hard Brexit. Which probably represents most of the country. Given the area, it's probably overstated if anything. THAT is the message here, along with the fact that Corbyn is toxic. A fact his band of fools will only realise after they've been wasted at the next election. |
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So this isn't being hailed as a Brexit victory that shows there is nationwide support for Brexit unlike the Richmond result was for remaining then.
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I keep flicking between stations and am ending up getting BBC World News and CBS on Sky.
![]() I think I'll stick with LBC until the declaration takes place, then switch to TV. Surely that would be live? It's very strange that there is so little coverage of this anywhere. |
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Another shit night for Corbyn's labour. Not that he cares.
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Another shit night for Corbyn's labour. Not that he cares.
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well the last by-election was covered by the BBC live on BBC1 til it declared....this one wasn't covered at all on BBC1, the BBC don't even seem to want to hide their pro EU bias anymore....well they do get some monies from the EU so make your own mind up.
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Another shit night for Corbyn's labour. Not that he cares.
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well the last by-election was covered by the BBC live on BBC1 til it declared....this one wasn't covered at all on BBC1, the BBC don't even seem to want to hide their pro EU bias anymore....well they do get some monies from the EU so make your own mind up.
God knows when the party of government didn't have a candidate. Goldsmith was high profile after his disgraceful mayoral campaign. Understand that some by elections are more interesting on a national scale than others instead of seeing non existent bias. Not everything has to be turned into a CT |
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I can see the LibDems overtaking UKIP eventually.
A lot of people have had enough of the other parties and want a change. |
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Despite only getting 10% in Sleaford, Labour have actually soared to 25% nationally in the latest YouGov poll, just 17 points behind the Tories. I don't think we can draw any conclusions from Sleaford.
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Richmond was a "big story"
God knows when the party of government didn't have a candidate. Goldsmith was high profile after his disgraceful mayoral campaign. Understand that some by elections are more interesting on a national scale than others instead of seeing non existent bias. Not everything has to be turned into a CT |
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UKIP is ailing?
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I understand your points, but is it the business of a public funded broadcaster to pick and choose political coverage based on if it will get headlines? Surely with how unreliable polls have been, they wouldn't have really known if there was a story til after the result.....It gives the impression one area is more relevant than another based on how it votes and that shouldn't be in the BBCs remit. Reporting facts, not trying to make up stories should be the majority of what the BBC produces....you can leave bias opinions that to the tabloids....of which the BBC and others become worringly addictive to covering.
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I can see the LibDems overtaking UKIP eventually.
A lot of people have had enough of the other parties and want a change. 9 > 1 already |
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unless they have made a commitment to cover every by-election live, then yes, it is the business of the BBC to pick and choose based on actual public interest.
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Despite only getting 10% in Sleaford, Labour have actually soared to 25% nationally in the latest YouGov poll, just 17 points behind the Tories. I don't think we can draw any conclusions from Sleaford.
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but the public interest as they see it, those in the some areas might rate it quite highly, and those that live in the area around Lincs too......it seems things are in the public interest only when it suits a certain political agenda.....or to make a story, something which should be left to the tabloids.
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A great night for Labour, they beat all the candidates in bold, they got nearly 17 times more votes than the Monster Raving Loony Party, now that is an achievement
The result in full: Caroline Johnson: (Conservatives) - 17,570 Victoria Ayling: (UKIP) - 4,426 Ross Pepper: (Liberal Democrats) - 3,606 Jim Clarke: (Labour) - 3,363 Marianne Overton: (Lincolnshire Independent) - 2,892 Sarah Stock: (Independent) - 462 The Iconic Arty-Pole: (Monster Raving Loony Party) - 200 Paul Coyne: (Independent) - 186 Mark Suffield: (Independent) - 74 David Bishop: (Bus Pass Elvis Party) - 55 |
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Despite only getting 10% in Sleaford, Labour have actually soared to 25% nationally in the latest YouGov poll, just 17 points behind the Tories. I don't think we can draw any conclusions from Sleaford.
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#150 |
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UKIP that "enormous threat" to the Conservatives, the establishment and the country is failing. With their one MP.
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