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Muslims told to leave Christmas market
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Will_Bennetts
04-12-2016
http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/03/muslim...stand-6298753/

This is pretty shocking . Funny how Muslims are always being painted as the intolerant ones yet locals act like this . I could understand if it was an intolerant Salafi asshole who preached that non Muslims and liberal Muslims would go to hell . However this group are one of the Muslim sects that are all about peace .
Thus could actually inflame relations in Germany and possibly lead to radicalisation
mattlamb
04-12-2016
Muslims don;t believe in Christmas though, so how would a stall informing people about the Muslim religion fit in within a Christmas market?

It is like having a stall about how to rear pigs on a farm, within a vegetarian market.
Andrue
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by mattlamb:
“Muslims don;t believe in Christmas though, so how would a stall informing people about the Muslim religion fit in within a Christmas market?”

As long as it's not 'overriding' the nearby stalls I don't see a problem with it. Christianity seems to have lost control of Christmas so good luck to Islam in claiming it.
Will_Bennetts
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by mattlamb:
“Muslims don;t believe in Christmas though, so how would a stall informing people about the Muslim religion fit in within a Christmas market?

It is like having a stall about how to rear pigs on a farm, within a vegetarian market.”

Muslims see Jesus as a prophet and lots of Muslims will say merry Christmas etc . It's just the mad pricks like anjem choudary who seem to have an issue with it
Will_Bennetts
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“As long as it's not 'overriding' the nearby stalls I don't see a problem with it. Christianity seems to have lost control of Christmas so good luck to Islam in claiming it.”

Plus ammidyhas are a very tolerant group . They are the group who sell poppies outside mosques every November plus that poor shopkeeper who was killed by an extremist was one .
anne_666
04-12-2016
Ridiculous.
belly button
04-12-2016
Maybe if he had put a bit of tinsel on his stall it might have been different...
D_Mcd4
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by mattlamb:
“Muslims don;t believe in Christmas though, so how would a stall informing people about the Muslim religion fit in within a Christmas market?

It is like having a stall about how to rear pigs on a farm, within a vegetarian market.”

Jesus was a prophet I've always been told. So it's not the same situation as that! I personally don't see any problem. The Ammidyhas community are considered very tolerant and respectful of other's beliefs. I can't imagine they're there for a fight!
GusGus
04-12-2016
We have a Christmas market here, and the Jehovahs Witnesses have set up a stall. Nobody has objected, everybody just ignores them
Pumping Iron
04-12-2016
Pay for a stall, you should be allowed to display what you want within reason. Unless they're preaching hate, it's better for religious folk to be inclusive with one another. That works both ways.
Armi
04-12-2016
I might set up a Christian information stall outside a mosque during Ramadan.

But then people would say I was being deliberately provocative, and trying to wind up the Muslims.

But Muslims wouldn't set up a Muslim information stall at a Christmas market just to wind people up. Nah, course they wouldn't.
richclever
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Armi:
“I might set up a Christian information stall outside a mosque during Ramadan.

But then people would say I was being deliberately provocative, and trying to wind up the Muslims.

But Muslims wouldn't set up a Muslim information stall at a Christmas market just to wind people up. Nah, course they wouldn't.”

They probably would yes but then they would be right wouldn't they? It sounds like those in the Metro article were not doing it to wind people up however which is why those that forced them off of the market are dicks just as anyone that did as you describe above would be dicks (and for some balance, Anjem Choudhary and his group of misfits are dicks too).
Armi
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by richclever:
“They probably would yes but then they would be right wouldn't they? It sounds like those in the Metro article were not doing it to wind people up however which is why those that forced them off of the market are dicks just as anyone that did as you describe above would be dicks (and for some balance, Anjem Choudhary and his group of misfits are dicks too).”

Ah right.

What are you basing your opinion on, regarding the Muslims in this case not trying to wind people up? That part of Germany is very Christian, and the Christmas market is part of the celebrations for one of the most important Christian holy periods. Hardly a place for Muslims to start pitching their creed.
Sifter22
04-12-2016
Well only one of the religions can be true as they both cancel each other out.

(Though my opinion is they're both nonsense)
richclever
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Armi:
“Ah right.

What are you basing your opinion on, regarding the Muslims in this case not trying to wind people up? That part of Germany is very Christian, and the Christmas market is part of the celebrations for one of the most important Christian holy periods.”

I'm mainly basing it on the sector of Islam that they are from which is renowned for not being dicks.
richclever
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sifter22:
“Well only one of the religions can be true as they both cancel each other out.

(Though my opinion is they're both nonsense)”

They both believe in the same God anyway. Both are wrong of course but as long as they are happy with others not believing what they believe then I have no issues with them being religious.
muggins14
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Armi:
“Ah right.

What are you basing your opinion on, regarding the Muslims in this case not trying to wind people up? That part of Germany is very Christian, and the Christmas market is part of the celebrations for one of the most important Christian holy periods. Hardly a place for Muslims to start pitching their creed.”

What has a commercial enterprise like a Christmas market got to do with being holy? We have one in Bath, it's about bringing tourists in to spend their lovely money in our fair city. There's nothing holy about it! (apart from the big hole in their bank balance afterwards ).
Sifter22
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by richclever:
“They both believe in the same God anyway. Both are wrong of course but as long as they are happy with others not believing what they believe then I have no issues with them being religious.”

Yeah but Jesus is the key figure. If Jesus didn't die on the cross and then resurrect then Christianity is false. I don't know the full story but Muslims definitely believe he didn't die on the cross and was just a normal prophet. Something about the bodies being switched.
Will_Bennetts
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Armi:
“Ah right.

What are you basing your opinion on, regarding the Muslims in this case not trying to wind people up? That part of Germany is very Christian, and the Christmas market is part of the celebrations for one of the most important Christian holy periods. Hardly a place for Muslims to start pitching their creed.”

I dunno but I'm assuming he is basing it on the fact that Ahymiddyas are known for being extremely tolerant and peace loving . The exact opposite of Britain first (and anjem choudary and his mates who love dividing people
Armi
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“What has a commercial enterprise like a Christmas market got to do with being holy? We have one in Bath, it's about bringing tourists in to spend their lovely money in our fair city. There's nothing holy about it!”

We're not talking about a few dodgy stalls in Bath. The Christmas markets in that part of Germany are more closely related to the Christian festival.
tiacat
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Armi:
“I might set up a Christian information stall outside a mosque during Ramadan.

But then people would say I was being deliberately provocative, and trying to wind up the Muslims.

But Muslims wouldn't set up a Muslim information stall at a Christmas market just to wind people up. Nah, course they wouldn't.”

Because Ramadan doesnt traditionally have stalls and festivities associated with it. Maybe you might make a comparison with Eid but also you would have to put it in context, set up a stall by all means but within an area where there are other stalls, like a market.
sutie
04-12-2016
As a designer I have to say it was a miserable, rubbish looking stall. Not at all in keeping with the exhuberant cheerfulness we expect at events such as this.

Not the finest decision to choose this venue I would have thought.
muggins14
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Armi:
“We're not talking about a few dodgy stalls in Bath. The Christmas markets in that part of Germany are more closely related to the Christian festival.”

Haha! I wouldn't call 170 chalets 'a few dodgy stalls' but that's just me Rudesheim has 120. Looking at pictures of both markets side-by-side, you wouldn't know which one was Bath and which was Rudesheim, except from - obviously - the architecture.

From their web page it seems they also have an international feel to their market, including " some Finnish specialities on the Drosselgasse or a taste of the Far East in the Mongolian marquee." so it wouldn't be unusual for people of different nationalities to have a stall there, although I doubt any of them are simply there to promote a religion of any kind rather than a business, be it items or food.

Had the Muslims in question been serving food from a particular nation or representing a shop or restaurant, I wonder if they would have been ejected from the market. Having a stall just to promote an ideology doesn't seem to be what the market would be about anyway.
greenyone
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“What has a commercial enterprise like a Christmas market got to do with being holy? We have one in Bath, it's about bringing tourists in to spend their lovely money in our fair city. There's nothing holy about it! (apart from the big hole in their bank balance afterwards ).”

Exactly 👍🏻
belly button
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Haha! I wouldn't call 170 chalets 'a few dodgy stalls' but that's just me Rudesheim has 120. Looking at pictures of both markets side-by-side, you wouldn't know which one was Bath and which was Rudesheim, except from - obviously - the architecture.

From their web page it seems they also have an international feel to their market, including " some Finnish specialities on the Drosselgasse or a taste of the Far East in the Mongolian marquee." so it wouldn't be unusual for people of different nationalities to have a stall there, although I doubt any of them are simply there to promote a religion of any kind rather than a business, be it items or food.

Had the Muslims in question been serving food from a particular nation or representing a shop or restaurant, I wonder if they would have been ejected from the market. Having a stall just to promote an ideology doesn't seem to be what the market would be about anyway.”

I agree. If someone had set up a stall selling car parts without a bauble in sight and was turned away, no one would be batting an eyelid.
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