That's apparently the case.

"A Muslim group in Germany has been asked to voluntarily disassemble their information stand at a local Christmas market after a significant number of complaints about their presence were lodged at the local town hall."
http://newschicken.com/islam-info-st...istmas-market/

Are Jesus and Mohammad related through birth?

They opened up a stall at a Christmas event promoting a contrary belief and you don't think they were there for a fight?
Maybe yo should phone their mosque and ask if you can have a Christmas market there, or better still just walk in and set up a stall.
And for the record i think you'll find tolerance is an outdated idea. Nobody wants to de tolerated these days.

p.s. I'm going to disappear soon because i'm working later and i have things to do, so if i don't answer its not personal.

Absolutely no reason to think they were there for a fight. They appear to be a very peaceful lot.


Oh dear. Can't we try and keep this discussion sensible?

Ba dum tss!

I am being sensible.
Its a reversal of what they did and as you think it was ok for them, i'm not sure how you can object.

Your daft suggestion is not in any way a "reversal" of what they did. They did not ask to have their stall inside a Christian church, nor did they set up a stall at this market without permission. I'm beginning to think you are just trolling.

I think you're not quite getting the distinction between them and mainstream Islam. Never mind.

Taking off the PC gloves for a moment here visitors to a festival that stems from something that happened in the middle east and results in a lot of men wandering about with beards and hats, are raising an objection to this stall that is about something that happened in the middle east and results in a lot of men wandering about with beards and hats, did I get that right?

Apologies if I missed anything, especially any opportunities for gratuitously sarcastic remarks, of which the above totally wasn't one

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Why would they be there for a fight? Do you think the same about other religions with stalls in Christmas Markets? If not why not?
What has holding a market in a mosque or walking in and setting up a stall got to do with this situation? Why would anyone want to do either? The market's held in the town square, not on Christian Church grounds.

They'd applied and been allowed a stall just like anyone else. They're a peaceful and already persecuted Muslim sect which ignorance and prejudice has driven out again.
It's just another example of "Christian" bigotry and something Germany can well do without.


Nope, you're really really not.

They should be kicked out. Imagine the outcry if someone set up a Christianity information stand at a Muslim market

The Prime Minister would no doubt have to apologise for it in the House of Commons.

This wasn't a Christian market. It was a Christmas market. Big difference. We have a Christmas market in our town. It has very little to do with Christianity.

Christmas wouldn;t exist if it wasn;t for Christians,

Yes, many non-believers celebrate Christmas and will attend, or even have stalls on this market.

However, they don;t inform people going to the Christmas market about a religion that does not believe in Christmas - which some Christians will attend because they believe in Jesus dying on the cross.

I don;t think it is appropriate to have a stall on a Xmas market informing people about Islam - or Buddism, or any other religion apart from Christianity, (I don;t believe any other religions believe in Xmas?).

That doesn;t stop Buddhists selling food, Muslims selling toys or anything else aside from their religion.
Just as it would be taking the piss for a Christian to set up a stall about Christianity in a market about Ramadan.

There would probably be some kind of midwinter celebration instead. As there was before Christianity came on the scene.


Anyone from any religion can celebrate Xmas - they don't have to believe in its origins.


Poor comparison, as Ramadan is not a secular festival. Christmas is both a religious and a secular festival. And a Christmas market is largely secular in nature and has very little to do with Christianity.

It isn't a secular market to most Christians though, is it?
Whether a celebration in the winter would exist with or without Christmas is irrelevant. The point is, that Christmas came into being and exists because people believe that Jesus died on the cross to save others.

Christians views should be respected as any other minority religion's views would be

And by your argument, if this market is secular, why would you allow someone to preach a religion to others?.

I'm not sure why you'd say that. Putting the word "Christmas" in front of a particular event doesn't necessarily imply any connection with Christianity. And this market appears to be a purely commercial venture.


In what way are their views being disrespected? If Christmas was entirely a religious festival celebrated only by Christians, then you might have a point. But it's not.

Because Christmas only exists because of Christians!!!!!

I find it really bizarre that people cry about rights of Muslims, etc in this country and say we shouldn;t mention Christmas for fear of upsetting them, yet also say that someone promoting Islam at a market set up because of a Christian celebration, can do as he wishes!

It makes no sense. How can you fail to see this?

Well, that's why Christians celebrate it. Others celebrate it for other reasons, such as family togetherness.


I said it was largely secular, and I thought this stall was just providing information rather than "preaching a religion"?

Providing information which is against the whole idea of how Christmas came into being!

I'm sure the Muslim stall-holder could set up a stall a few hundred yards from the market, if he wishes. Which would be totally fine. Setting it up in a Xmas market is taking the piss, pure and simple.

How dare you Muggins, you know better than to come into a Muslim related thread with logic & reason.

I doubt that anyone actually says both these things. Sounds like a straw man argument.

I get that you don't like the idea of Christmas becoming a largely secular festival, but it just can't be helped.

After reading this thread contrasting it with the political and social shifts this country appears to be going through, I can only conclude that lunatics have taken over the asylum.

God help us all

You keep missing the point that an Xmas market has little, if anything, to do with Christianity. I'm sure the Muslims realise this and thus were not intending to upset anyone.

But surely this individual could see how his actions may be misinterpreted?
In fact, he probably set the stall up specifically to be provocative and promote Islam over Christianity.