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Everything goes in cycles new who started ok peaked with tennant and will still ok with Matt smith but hiring capaldi lost the momentum as he was never going to be popular in this image is everything world we live in.
I suppose we are at at Colin baker type comparison with the old era. It's very close to being "rested" again Nah, that's a load of nonsense. The Colin Baker era can't be compared whatsoever to the current era. The largest and most important difference is this- back then, higher up's from the BBC were delibaratley out to hurt the show. The 18 month "rest" they gave it was the result of one man's personal grudge against the show and it's main star. The BBC love the show. It makes them a shed load of cash at home and abroad. They've tried to have it on every single year since 2005, and given it three spin offs, one of which has only recently finished, and one of which ran for five years without a break, and was on course to go longer but for tragic circumstances. Furthermore, when Capaldi was announced, there was actually widespread positivity, the polar opposite to the welcome some Doctor's receive. Now, some of the shallow fangirls who watched the show simply because of the "sexy" Tennant or Smith may well have gone. But they constitute only a fraction of the audience. Most of the criticism of Capaldi's Doctor that I have seen is down to his character, not his age. Which isn't even surprising, considering they were aiming for a more polarizing version of the Doctor. The show isn't hyped over in the way it once was. But it's still massively popular. One thing I think it would benefit from, something which may in fact return it to some of it's incredible past glory, would be a change in writing. This is not an insult to Moffat. He's a great writer, but his style has become old, as did his predecessor's. It's not that his style is bad, it's just that we are very used to it and need a change. If only such a change was around the corner.....oh wait.... |
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While I agree there are to many sequels prequels reboots and shared universe creations for things that don't need to be (hi independence day 2).. I personally don't put to much stock in oh big movies are all going to implode in 2018, as it was once 2016, and 2014...
In fact in particular people have been predicting the death of superhero films for a decade now, and each year it fails to happen and the direct opposite happens, the genre continues to grow and expand.. and as of now showing no signs of slowing down, look at the success of Civil War, Deadpool Dr Strange, even BVS which was rubbish still made piles of cash.. Its a genre on itself now and nobody complains that they have made 6 horror movies this year but they do about superhero films (though I do sympathise some what with their point) It's not about any one genre, as the overly long list of various genres I posted demonstrates. It's just hitting the point of cinematic gluttony. So many films all in quick succession, and not enough money across the people to see them all (and I'll also argue sadly no room for perspective or reflection on these films... people just gorge them one after the other and it really becomes a case of less is more... it becomes harder to look forward to sequels to your favourite films when there's already inevitably four of them and a couple of spin-offs lined up). The films may remain popular for a long while - superhero films are the current trend, just as disaster movies have been, just as westerns once were. But the concern for some time has been that there's too many. One studio (Warner Bros) has already started expensively shifting its movies away from 2018 because of how crowded it is. In the space of just over one month in spring that year, there's a How To Train Your Dragon film, a Star Wars spin-off film, a Transformers spin-off film, an Incredibles sequel, and a Jurassic World sequel - with an Avengers film just weeks before that, and an Ant-Man sequel just weeks after. The rest of the year is so crowded too that even a couple of minor delays don't resolve how over-saturated the cinema is going to be at that point... in fact many cinemas won't even have the capacity to show that many films at the same time. Many of these are typically films that usually dominate a whole season to themselves... Jurassic World owned the summer of 2015, Star Wars the Christmas of 2015. Now both franchises share a month along with a handful of other massive family friendly films, and that's just those announced so far. Long message short, it's not content but quantity. Quote:
The point is though these big flashy stuff that people and most specifically kids are getting on a regular basis, may make DW seem less shiny in comparison, and with it not on it gets left behind and forgotten about...
The argument has always been to opt for substance over style, and quality over quantity. On a visual level, Doctor Who does range from looking really well done to looking a bit tacky and cheap - and a single series is capable of both several times over. A lot of that may boil down to the director - Ed Bazalgette did a decent job with his Class episodes (though was outshone by all successive episodes I felt) whilst his Doctor Who efforts were comparatively weak...and by chance he's doing the upcoming Christmas special. Even the CiN clip featured editing and directing choices I felt were poor (the cuts for the breaking glass, the throat-grab from the superhero guy) and looked amateur... as in Series-1-teething-problems kind of amateur. Doctor Who is restrained by a budget but I don't think that needs to hold it back from looking decent. The first Series 9 trailer did a brilliant job at estabishing tone...regardless of whether you liked that tone or not, it was a well-realised selection of clips showing a rather dirty, muddy series but shot so brilliantly. Shoot it well, know what works... avoid shots of the Zygons from head-to-toe because it looks overly ridiculous, for example. Class likely worked on a budget that is fractional to that of Doctor Who, and I felt its brief encounters with alien worlds were mostly very well done, especially in the penultimate episode...it was about atmosphere, and tone. Not about a cool planetary estabishing shot or anything. RTD-era Who existed at a time when the effects couldn't quite pull it off, Moffat-era Who exists at a time when the directors don't seem to be able to pull it off. I think it's possible to get this right though... the show has in the past at least once each series and can do so again, hopefully more. Some of the filming of Rona Munro's episode looked especially stunning and dramatic, whilst Frank Cottrell-Boyce's episode having filmed in the Art/Science district of Valencia has a sleek/cool alien world being handed to it on a plate! Hopefully Series 10 will pull off a great combination of good writing and good visuals. Getting the likes of Wayne Yip in as director is another good sign (he did Utopia, and those episodes of Class I praised most). It's just about finding that winning combination... harder for a TV show than a Hollywood movie but not impossible. Quote:
Regarding using a bad episode as a example, yeah that was just one example, out of many choices... there was plenty off examples I could of used to show how I think DW is lacking other than just the moon egg episode...
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Bear in mind New Who has been running for ten years now. Popularity is always going to decline a bit.
Also, the giant gaps in production have hurt the show badly. When you have years go by with nary an episode, people lose interest. Don't blame it on the length of time that the show has been on. 10 years into 20th Century Doctor Who, it was just getting started. |
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I think you could be right. I was a child myself in the Tom Baker years and loved it but after Peter Davison left so did I. I returned for NuWho because my children loved it and their enthusiasm swept me away again. There is only one of them left now that watches. He still loves it but I sadly do not. Maybe when the grandkids come along......
![]() But they do have a problem is that why every year do we have to have daleks? They claim they will rest them but never do. |
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My interest and enthusiasm for the show is at rock bottom.
There have been many reasons for this since series 5. None of which have anything to do with the actors in the role of the Doctor or the companions but the overall quality of the writing, the structure and pacing of a series as well as series arcs and era spanning arcs under the current show runner. There are only so many times this viewer can be burnt by unexciting and disappointing series finales. There are only so many times this viewer can watch flat secondary characters that rarely leave the printed page and come alive. Instead they become grating rather than people to share empathy with. Companions that appear to be written as series arcs puzzles to solve above being believable characters. It became tiresome to see female leads all written with the same smart sassy wisecracking dialogue. So much so that their basic character delivery almost became interchangeable. As a viewer I have to ask myself what is the point of me investing in a show that continually fails to deliver for the sake of 1 great episode per series ? A show that long stopped offering me a basic connection to the characters I am supposed to be rooting for. The Doctor’s long awaited return to Gallifrey, Trenzalore, Splinter Clara, Clara, Danny Pink, The Hybrid/Me arc, Amy Pond/ River Song arc all fell flat. Yet, as a life long Who fan, I will keep watching as I fear if I stop I may never return regardless if the show improves or not. I do sometimes wonder what the Moffat era will be remembered for? What arcs and characters will stand along side some of the greats. I think it says a lot for the current show runner’s run that series 5 is generally regarded as his best. |
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Having been a fan since 2005, I've lost a lot of interest to. Series 8 and 9 were very poor in terms of quality. Clara should have left in series 8.
The show suffered a lot when they decided to have split series. It was the wrong decision. Series 6 split only somewhat worked but they messed it up with series 7. Series 7 should have fully aired in 2012. In 2013, instead of a full series they could've made a few anniversary specials spread across the year, allowing the cast and crew a break. |
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While I have some sympathy for the generally negative views expressed on this thread, it should not be forgotten that Doctor Who is still a major flagship show for the BBC, both in the UK and abroad. I don't want to seem at all complacent, but it's nowhere near "being rested". Change is coming.
It remains to be seen what the next series will bring, still under SM's stewardship, but CC will certainly bring a fresh take on it. Guaranteed that CC's approach will be to the liking of some fans. Also guaranteed that it will not be for some others, including those that currently wish to see the back of SM. I hope I'm amongst the first group, and take to CC's version. |
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My husband was a huge fan since a child but he hardly bothered with the last season
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My interest in the show is at its lowest, even lower than in the late 80s when the production values and general state of the show made it a frustrating watch.
I can't help but think that the fact there is yet another series overseen by Mr Puff and his inseparable friend Sir Fretful Plagiary will do even more damage to the show. People who keep saying the show is still popular and that the BBC love it etc, fail to realise its global success is inertia. The show was huge in the UK before that spread beyond, and by the same token it's only a matter of time before the current UK apathy for the show spreads to America and other markets. If the BBC love it so much, why have there been so many production breaks, problems and virtually nothing done by BBC Television (UK) during the 50th anniversary year? They only like it because of the money it makes BBC Worldwide. When that stops and BBC WW no longer care about it, a new Michael Grade will reveal themselves back in the UK. I often wonder if the overblown and protracted story arcs are a consequence of Moffat primarily making the show for a boxset-watching audience rather than weekly TV viewers. Perhaps his rehearsed tragedy is less frustrating to watch when you down two bottles of wine whilst watching the whole of series 6 and 7 in just a couple of days? A great product for BBC Worldwide, lots of brownie points for Moffat, but a frustrating watch for us licence fee payers. |
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My interest and enthusiasm for the show is at rock bottom.
There have been many reasons for this since series 5. None of which have anything to do with the actors in the role of the Doctor or the companions but the overall quality of the writing, the structure and pacing of a series as well as series arcs and era spanning arcs under the current show runner. There are only so many times this viewer can be burnt by unexciting and disappointing series finales. There are only so many times this viewer can watch flat secondary characters that rarely leave the printed page and come alive. Instead they become grating rather than people to share empathy with. Companions that appear to be written as series arcs puzzles to solve above being believable characters. It became tiresome to see female leads all written with the same smart sassy wisecracking dialogue. So much so that their basic character delivery almost became interchangeable. As a viewer I have to ask myself what is the point of me investing in a show that continually fails to deliver for the sake of 1 great episode per series ? A show that long stopped offering me a basic connection to the characters I am supposed to be rooting for. The Doctor’s long awaited return to Gallifrey, Trenzalore, Splinter Clara, Clara, Danny Pink, The Hybrid/Me arc, Amy Pond/ River Song arc all fell flat. Yet, as a life long Who fan, I will keep watching as I fear if I stop I may never return regardless if the show improves or not. I do sometimes wonder what the Moffat era will be remembered for? What arcs and characters will stand along side some of the greats. I think it says a lot for the current show runner’s run that series 5 is generally regarded as his best. Actually, despite lower ratings, series 9 received huge acclaim from critics. More so than I think any of Moffat's previous series have done. |
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My interest in the show is at its lowest, even lower than in the late 80s when the production values and general state of the show made it a frustrating watch.
I can't help but think that the fact there is yet another series overseen by Mr Puff and his inseparable friend Sir Fretful Plagiary will do even more damage to the show. People who keep saying the show is still popular and that the BBC love it etc, fail to realise its global success is inertia. The show was huge in the UK before that spread beyond, and by the same token it's only a matter of time before the current UK apathy for the show spreads to America and other markets. If the BBC love it so much, why have there been so many production breaks, problems and virtually nothing done by BBC Television (UK) during the 50th anniversary year? They only like it because of the money it makes BBC Worldwide. When that stops and BBC WW no longer care about it, a new Michael Grade will reveal themselves back in the UK. I often wonder if the overblown and protracted story arcs are a consequence of Moffat primarily making the show for a boxset-watching audience rather than weekly TV viewers. Perhaps his rehearsed tragedy is less frustrating to watch when you down two bottles of wine whilst watching the whole of series 6 and 7 in just a couple of days? A great product for BBC Worldwide, lots of brownie points for Moffat, but a frustrating watch for us licence fee payers. ![]() Firstly, I don't understand the "Mr. Puff" and "Sir Fretful Plagiary" reference. I don't even want to understand it, I get the impression that it isn't actually funny. Secondly, you really are incredibly pessimistic. Doesn't it get upsetting constantly assuming the worst? Perhaps you enjoy making other people worried? Sure, overseas popularity could theoretically stagnate over time, which means it's up to Chibnall to ensure it doesn't happen, as well as rebuild a bit more love for the show at home. With regards to the anniversary year, I think a significant part of the blame for the supposed chaos lies with Moffat and his ridiculous workload as opposed to the BBC. Remember, the BBC are also fond of his other show (Sherlock) so do allow him some leeway to do both. But it all worked out in the end. If there was a real danger of Moffat being unable to produce anything for the anniversary, he'd have been sacked. With regards to THIS gap year, we can only speculate. But it sounds as though we should actually be thanking Moffat. He was set to leave after series 9, and with Chinball unavailable until next year, the gap could have been a lot longer than one year. Finally, that's a very interesting point, not something I've thought about before. It's possible, but I'm not sure it would be allowed, considering the show is funded by the licence fee payers. |
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the show is funded by the licence fee payers.
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series 9 received huge acclaim from critics.
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Blimey, a Digital Spy DW Forum thread with several thoughtful and considered posts? Who'd have imagined!!!
Yes, I think it is down a little. Realistically that was always going to happen after the 50th anniversary: the presence of the show in 2013, all over the media, and the associated hype was not usual and never going to last. This has of course been amplified by the 'fallow' year of 2016. There's a few other things in play. I think the original poster's point that there has been, since the show's relaunch, a rise in competition in the fantasy/sci-fi genre, is important. Since the start of 2008, both the Star Wars and Star Trek brands have been rebooted; we've had the creation of the Marvel Cinematic Universe; and Game of Thrones has become the juggernaut that it is. More broadly, since 2010 the quality of TV has risen significantly: shows like Breaking Bad, The Night Manager, Orange is the New Black, Fargo, House of Cards, Borgen, The Killing and The Missing have raised people's expectations of what TV series can do: Doctor Who seems, and frankly is, much less special in the context of those shows. The point is that whatever we think about the quality of Doctor Who over the last 5 years, there are reasons outside of this that the hype and reach of the show has declined. On the plus side, I'm sure we can expect hype to increase again going into the new series (let's not forget that we're still 4-5 months away from it!). Over the next couple of years we can expect a new showrunner and probably a new Doctor in either 2018 or 2019: this will boost the show's profile, and hopefully refresh it content-wise as well. |
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Funded in part. BBC Worldwide fund it too. Ultimately that will be for strategic reasons - They want a product they can sell around the world in many forms and use as a tool to further their other commercial interests (BBC America, for example). They don't care about licence fee payers.
Dangle and Sneer? 1) Yes, but they don't have the power to dictate how a series is produced. They may well have influenced Moffat's thinking though. 2) Again, I don't quite get that remark, but I don't feel as though I'm missing out on anything hilarious by failing to understand it. I might be wrong, and would happily stand corrected, but I doubt it. I'll just direct you to this Wikipedia article though. I know Wikipedia is hardly reliable, but some of the sources it cites are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor...ical_reception |
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Blimey, a Digital Spy DW Forum thread with several thoughtful and considered posts? Who'd have imagined!!!
Yes, I think it is down a little. Realistically that was always going to happen after the 50th anniversary: the presence of the show in 2013, all over the media, and the associated hype was not usual and never going to last. This has of course been amplified by the 'fallow' year of 2016. There's a few other things in play. I think the original poster's point that there has been, since the show's relaunch, a rise in competition in the fantasy/sci-fi genre, is important. Since the start of 2008, both the Star Wars and Star Trek brands have been rebooted; we've had the creation of the Marvel Cinematic Universe; and Game of Thrones has become the juggernaut that it is. More broadly, since 2010 the quality of TV has risen significantly: shows like Breaking Bad, The Night Manager, Orange is the New Black, Fargo, House of Cards, Borgen, The Killing and The Missing have raised people's expectations of what TV series can do: Doctor Who seems, and frankly is, much less special in the context of those shows. The point is that whatever we think about the quality of Doctor Who over the last 5 years, there are reasons outside of this that the hype and reach of the show has declined. On the plus side, I'm sure we can expect hype to increase again going into the new series (let's not forget that we're still 4-5 months away from it!). Over the next couple of years we can expect a new showrunner and probably a new Doctor in either 2018 or 2019: this will boost the show's profile, and hopefully refresh it content-wise as well. I personally don't agree with the late 80's comparisons because a) the "higher ups" were either indifferent to or even actively hostile to the show then (We've just had a Who Radio Times Cover, peeps.) and b) Changes are a-coming. Who still gets mentioned in the BBC Reports re: worldwide sales, etc and seeing what's happened to the also much mentioned Top Gear recently, I genuinely can't see the end of days coming anytime soon for this, ughh, 'franchise'. As 'Husbands...' final consolidated figures were just shy of 8m, I'm not ready to go all Senna the Soothsayer just yet! |
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I never watched old Who. Loved NuWho, Tennant is my Doctor and it's slowly gone down hill from there for me.
It's not that I don't rate Capaldi it's the storylines they're so over complicated and convoluted it's like Moffat has to repeatedly tell us all how smart he is. And make things complicated for the sake of it being complicated. He doesn't seem to be able to do characters either just changes them depending on the situation. RTD build the story around the characters. Moffat seems to just change their personalities depending on what his overly complicated story of the week requires. Also didn't help that he made Capaldi's Doctor rude, unlikable and very dickish in his first series. I genuinely found him unlikable. Casual viewers I'm sure will have long since given up. I'm hoping for an improvement one Moffat has gone. |
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Interesting to see this thread developing quite calmly and sensibly!
I gave up on DW after a couple of episodes of Capaldi, but was getting bored throughout Matt Smith's time. I really liked the MS Doctor, but I had no idea what he was doing or why he was doing it. The series became more complex and less fun, and the direction taken with the companions becoming so central to the show discouraged me as I wasn't overkeen on the companions! Along comes the current Doctor, and the combination of stories I don't care about and a Doctor who seems to be thoroughly unpleasant was quite enough for me to switch off the series link. I have only watched the MS episodes once each and have no interest in seeing any of the Capaldi stuff. I will give Chris Chibnall's first couple of episodes a go, but I am not a fan of the direction in which Mr Moffat has taken the show. A number of other people, both fans and casual viewers, have mentioned feeling disinterested in current DW, and most children I know have long since bailed out. Part of the success of C21st DW is that it's built around characters and personalities and relationships. This has become less significant as Mr Moffat has taken over, and the plot-heavy, complex, convoluted storytelling has come to the fore. It's far too clever-clever for my liking and, it seems, for the liking of a chunk of the audience. People don't deliver dialogue or have a conversation anymore; instead, they chuck witty wisecracks at each other and raise an eyebrow. There's no connection to reality and nothing to ground the show in the here-and-now. While the "soap" aspect may have been criticised in past years, through the companion's family, the abandonment of that has weakened the show and made sure that nothing seems authentic. I just don't care, and I see nothing that makes me even want to care. The series is happy to embrace its nicheness now, with regular appearances from the lead actors at Comic Con type events. Imagine if that would have happened back in the 80s? Remember when John Nathan-Turner took Peter Davison to conventions and got slated for it? DW is, in some ways, deliberately appealing to the cosplay type culty fanbase, but that is not enough to coax my mum into watching an episode on-spec. These are the viewers any mainstream TV show needs to build and, at the moment, it's not even managing to get itself watched by a lifelong fan of nigh-on 40 years standing. |
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Its hard to watch a show when the BBC Themselves just have it running on the sidelines, it seems like they just keep it around just cause its, their flagship and one of their most iconic shows.
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The Colin Baker era can't be compared whatsoever to the current era. The largest and most important difference is this- back then, higher up's from the BBC were delibaratley out to hurt the show. The 18 month "rest" they gave it was the result of one man's personal grudge against the show and it's main star.
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Last couple of years I've been less interested.
The stories seem to have got more and more formulaic, monster/threat of the week with a little drip of this seasons running storyline. The production is also looking tired, after the destruction of the Fibre Glass TARDIS and Matt Smith's first episode the production quality really ramped up, now it feels lazy and cheap, that CiN trailer looked seconds away from accidentally featuring a cameraman scratching his bum! Perhaps I've been spoilt by series like Game of Thrones, WestWorld, and even The Expanse but Doctor Who was supposedly costing £1m an episode a couple of years ago and I've never felt that has come across on screen. Also an argument could be made that if the show was working within its means well and telling good stories we the audience wouldn't care so much about the production values, and so its telling that we are noticing the production because the characters and story presented are not drawing us in so we are looking at what's around it. Quote:
Constant breaks, split series, confusing arcs, rewriting the Doctors history, one episode in the 50th year after being promised more Who than ever before, trying to be clever and making Calaldis Doctor unlikeable then attempting to correct this have all contributed. Even the promotion, trailers etc have been lame.
Agree the arcs and re-writing DW history, for me that's been the biggest problem because even when DW was on it wasn't delivering so why should the audience come back when the show finally does.. Disagree with the point of making the Doctor unlikable, I really liked what they were doing with the character at the beginning of series 8... what I didn't like was when the writers/producers lost their guts and changed it to take the edge out of the 12th Doctor... but the choppy nature of that no doubt doesn't help things.. Regarding trailers, series 9 one was so badly judged, who ever gave the ok to have the big trailer say "oh same old same old" needs to be fired and be banned from ever working in marketing again... or put on the naughty step for a bit, one of those
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I'll definitely try the show again once Moffat is gone, but it's very clear he should have left when Matt Smith did, he's been churning out boring script after stale script year in year out since 2013 and it's gotten tired. Capaldi has so much potential, he just needs "that" writer who gets his version of the character. And more importantly, the trend of the companion completely over-shadowing The Doctor needs to end.
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I would agree. Any 'casual viewer' that I've met has said the show has gone up its own a**e!
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And more importantly, the trend of the companion completely over-shadowing The Doctor needs to end.
I would personally say I've had more issue with the latter...that Moffat interferes with the Doctor's own mythology a bit too much for my liking. But maybe the issue is actually with both... by cutting back on the 'Jackie' and 'Wilf' characters that support the companions world we end up with the companion having to overcompensate for the absence, and then too much emphasis being placed on the Doctor as well. It wasn't so much an issue in Classic Who which had shorter episodes that functionally could just get on with telling a story. But now the show does need a bit more heart to it, and maybe the issue is with a lack of decent supporting characters - Moffat's own Paternoster lot were literally just dropped in out of the blue, whilst use of Kate Stewart/Osgood is sporadic. Maybe the best thing to do is to reintroduce that 'family' element. It doesn't necessarily need to be contemporary London as was the case with RTD time and time again, but it would serve to give the show a bit more grounding and relieves the pressure on the Doctor and companion having to always be so universally important. |
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Is Doctor who losing people's interest? In my opinion, and from everything I've seen and experienced myself, yes it is, and has been since about series 6.
Is this down to the fact that the show isn't new anymore? no way. As others have pointed out, classic who was still very popular 10 years in, and there are shows in this day and age that are hugely popular a good few series in (Just some examples -Game of thrones soon to start it's 7th season and excitement is at fever pitch, The Big Bang Theory is on it's 10 season and is still hugely popular). The 'not new' argument to me, is just a defence argument used by those who enjoy Moffat's work but don't quite understand why it doesn't get the same sort of mainstream response that the RTD era did. The reasons why that is the case have been mentioned multiple times on this thread and across this forum many times by many posters -confused arcs, unlikeable characters, lurching to extremes, changing the Doctors history, writing seemingly for 'fan only' viewers,. Hoping that Chibnall can make the show fulfill it's full potential again the way I feel it did during the RTD years. |
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Is Doctor who losing people's interest? In my opinion, and from everything I've seen and experienced myself, yes it is, and has been since about series 6.
Is this down to the fact that the show isn't new anymore? no way. As others have pointed out, classic who was still very popular 10 years in, and there are shows in this day and age that are hugely popular a good few series in (Just some examples -Game of thrones soon to start it's 7th season and excitement is at fever pitch, The Big Bang Theory is on it's 10 season and is still hugely popular). The 'not new' argument to me, is just a defence argument used by those who enjoy Moffat's work but don't quite understand why it doesn't get the same sort of mainstream response that the RTD era did. The reasons why that is the case have been mentioned multiple times on this thread and across this forum many times by many posters -confused arcs, unlikeable characters, lurching to extremes, changing the Doctors history, writing seemingly for 'fan only' viewers,. Hoping that Chibnall can make the show fulfill it's full potential again the way I feel it did during the RTD years. |
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