I personally feel, and prefer to think that the events of Time of the Doctor meant that the events of Name of the Doctor never happened at all. I'm comforted by this thought since Name of the Doctor was such a nonsensical mess, I'm glad there was a story two episodes later which seemed to wipe it away.


Me neither. If Moffat had actually put time and effort into new idea's then maybe he'd have some memorable lore from his own time, but so much of his writing seems to be, just chuck it out there and then move on to the next thing, and then, lets take things which benefit the mystery of the Doctor like why exactly he left Gallifrey and his childhood, and just meddle into these things with quickfire shoehorning in of Clara into every important point.

Well, DS think there's enough interest on here at least, anyway. This place is getting "promoted to the Main Board" when the changes come in!

They do this every year whilst the show is going out, and for various other seasonal shows. The only reason there was a delay last time was because they'd laid off the techie staff who knew how to change things like that, and those who remained didn't know how!

Maybe, but the announcement says the same about 'Football' being "promoted to the Main Board" too, which makes sense. So it might be about 'traffic', and I don't mean the Jacques Tati film.

Apparently the Emoji Cheetah People's days are numbered too. Their reaction:



And an amnesty on banned users?! They can appeal, anyway, apparently.

Oh, I don't know anything about this. I thought you meant DS putting this forum on the main list when Chibnall's series starts.

Wellll, who knows whether DS will still be around in 2018. Actually, did initially think the pinned announcement might be related to the forums being jacked in.

The announcement also mentions a 'facebook' type thing where you can 'like' or 'dislike' posts, which sounds a bit naff.

I still don't know what that kitty emoji means.

(I'd completely ignored that "Please read this very important message" thing until I read your post.

I predict chaos and complaints.)

(Slings on electric Magpie guitar and puts on shades, black hoodie and unconvincing curly grey wig; sings in pretty bad approximation of a Scottish accent)

"I predict a riot. A slightly nerdy riot. I predict a riot. A keyboard bashing riot." etc.

It'll be fiiine.

I agree, and I think that if we'd seen all of these things happen over the course of a few different companions then I wouldn't have batted an eyelid. It's the concentration of how important Clara has been made - when I personally found her barely palatable - that makes her so objectionable.

Which is a shame, because she is a fantastic actress, and the first outing in Asylum of the Daleks gave me great expectations for how she'd continue.

If Chibnall doesn't shake the series up, it could lose interest.

We need a new Doctor/companion set up for Series 11, new titles, new TARDIS interior, mission statement, the lot and better marketing for the show.

I don't think a new TARDIS interior is even vaguely possible or realistic....

We have been somewhat spoiled since 2005 to have 3 so far - all distinctly different. the reasons for the change were unavoidable behind the scenes stuff every time. It wasnt changed on a whim or because they felt they needed a new one.

The current set is impressive (especially if you've been lucky enough to visit it in Cardiff) but you can also see how its a large permanent standing set and must be very very expensive to build. The budget would be better spent elsewhere.

Rumour has it we might see Missy's TARDIS but i doubt its as intricate or detailed as the Doctors one.

Remember in the olden days.... it never really got changed at all.... pretty much the same apart from the secondary control room briefly seen.

Not as naff as that other thing, members are no longer suspended they instead are in jail for 24 hours.

Just want stories back that are varied, What I found with the last two series
sometimes the story and direction doesn't warrant the complexity.
Moffat tried doing a Sherlock with the series and it just hasn't worked.

He's making it very easy for the BBC to scale back, and just make a series of specials
Missy IMHO is one of his biggest successes, She's just amazing character with brilliant scripts

Agreed. Personally, I would rather have had Victorian Clara as the companion and ditched all the splinter guff at the drawing board. By the end of The Snowmen Clara was a fleshed out character (as far as one episode can allow) and was an extremely likeable and quite funny character. But, as is the show-runners want, any and all potential character building by means of natural empathy and not because we are told by the writer is ditched in favour of mystery. It severely hampered any character development, not only for an entire series but beyond. No pop up family, wooden boyfriend in an unrealistic romance or even being a nanny looking after badly realised kids could save the day in terms of making an idea for an arc come alive once the arc said idea was created for had played out.

A waste of a very talented actress. Then again I feel the full potential of both Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi have been wasted in their respected era's. So fingers crossed for series 10.

I couldn't agree more. And at the risk of being shot down, I also felt this to a lesser degree with Amy too. I think Amy had the benefit of just being a more likeable character, though, but the emphasis on creating a mystery around her and the lack of a family and friends (the big empty house, the absence of any repeated characters from the village apart from Rory) failed to re-create the strength of bond that I'd had with Rose, Martha and Donna.

This problem was x10 with Clara. Steven Moffat seemed to think all it takes is a 15 second montage of a leaf and Clara's parents for the audience to feel she is a fully fleshed out character and then emphasise with her. It was truly lazy writing, character-wise.

So we then reach Heaven Sent, and the audience is supposed to be grieving with the Doctor for Clara's loss. And I'm sat there just hoping she really is dead.

Losing interest no. But when there is a 9 month wait between series the tension just builds and builds.

The Christmas episodes really don't do it for me. But I am one of few who liked voyage of the damned.

So the wait from the last series to this series is ridiculous.

The only time I was losing interest was in the danny pink episodes. I absolutely hated that character.

Entirely two-part episodes will fix everything!

In fact this trend for serials is surely a justification for mostly 3 or even 4 part stories. And maybe even a longer season run of 16 episodes.

But how!? By having the Doctor vanish off screen for long periods of time and have the companion/guest actors lead an episode.
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The reason this can dramatically change the show is it sets it back to how it was pre-2005 and allows the viewing public to give a damn about the guest actors and to be pulled into the story.

Stand-alone episodes were fun, for a time. But they are limited in what can be achieved and that limit has been reached (about 4 years ago)

I will have an interest when the next season is on however lost a bit of interest during the hiatus. Not done any re watching since I put the season 9 DVD away a few months ago. Not even classic who. Power of the daleks is sat unwatched on the shelf. Feel I want to give it a break for a few years before re watching.

I definitely want longer stories, in a show like Doctor Who it is very difficult to world build, develop characters and grow attached to them in 40 minutes. That is why almost every story is modern day Earth as the world building isn't really needed and after a few seasons of that it can get tedious.

Why do people hate Voyage of The Damned it might be one of RTDs worst but it equals some of Moffats best in the last two years.

Because crap is crap and i'll definitely take quite a few Moffat eps the past 2 seasons over that episode.

The trailer for this year's Christmas Special is doing nothing for me. I think it looks dire.

To be honest one reason why this place is slow is that a lot of people have bailed out of here because of continual boring negativity from certain people in here.

I no longer even bother with any episode thread and only dip in here every couple of weeks to see if there are any interesting threads - which there very rarely are.

To put it into context, like most, I have a boring job that I would happily quit tomorrow if I could, the world is going to hell in a handcart besides. And yet with tv etc I have the chance to just enjoy something uncritically. I don't have to assess whether it is a con after my money or which leader will screw our country up the least. It is sit down and let the story take me where it takes me.

And to do that it is avoiding bores who tell me after five minutes an episode is rubbish or it is not as good as it was in the old days.

You want this place to pick up then stop being boring.

I loved Voyage Of The Damned - it's got the lot as far as I'm concerned!!

We are all different...

Place will pick up when there's an episode, been a year since the last one. However you seem to be taking it very personally that people don't like certain things, or don't watch it with the aim of watching it uncritically.

Also nothing more boring than people mindlessly agreeing on everything because criticism be damned.