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I can't see how the open door policy is being blamed.
This guy could have applied to enter the country 'legally' - it would seem that there's nothing in his past that suggests he's capable of murder. The family who he was residing with hadn't noticed anything untoward about him. Has it been suggested that this was a religiously/politically motivated crime? Disturbed and dangerous individuals come in all shapes, sizes and colours - this is a dreadful tragedy for the family and I don't know how one gets over losing a child in such horrible circumstances. I don't see how blaming Merkel and the open door policy helps - doesn't it simply rack up tensions amongst the population and perfectly innocent refugees/immigrants? |
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Rape and murder is rape and murder and unacceptable.
Equally you have the British and others who have gone to Syria and Iraq to do the same thing. Is one more important than another? |
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With so many invited un-checked into europe they've now increased the odds or likelhood of it happening.
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Europe didn't throw open it's borders to all and sundry 10-15 years ago.
This particular one involves an EU official so hints at the what reap you sow angle. Many readers of these rags will be having orgasims reading it. |
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With so many invited un-checked into europe they've now increased the odds or likelhood of it happening.
Do you really believe there is something intrinsic in what you euphemistically describe as "non Europeans" which makes them statistically. more likely to be rapists, or murderers and if so why and where is your evidence for that proposition other than your sense or feeling that it is so? |
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So, what exactly is it about "non Europeans" as opposed to "Europeans" that increases the likelihood of "it happening"? And how exactly do we "check" Europeans?
Do you really believe there is something intrinsic in what you euphemistically describe as "non Europeans" which makes them statistically. more likely to be rapists, or murderes and if so why and where is your evidence for that proposition other than your sense or feeling that it is so? |
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Denial Denial Denial. Have a word with yourself.
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So, what exactly is it about "non Europeans" as opposed to "Europeans" that increases the likelihood of "it happening"? And how exactly do we "check" Europeans?
Do you really believe there is something intrinsic in what you euphemistically describe as "non Europeans" which makes them statistically. more likely to be rapists, or murderers and if so why and where is your evidence for that proposition other than your sense or feeling that it is so? So that increases the likelihood of more lawbreaking and barbaric things happening here. |
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People using the rape and murder of a young woman to score cheap political points.
Honest to effing God! |
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Because most of them come from barbaric, lawless and misogynistic societies where such behaviour can go unchecked/unrestrained, unreported and unnoticed.
So that increases the likelihood of more lawbreaking and barbaric things happening here. |
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Because most of them come from barbaric, lawless and misogynistic societies where such behaviour can go unchecked/unrestrained, unreported and unnoticed.
So that increases the likelihood of more lawbreaking and barbaric things happening here. And that is not "likelihood". That is reality. |
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But the evidence is that the overwhelming numbers of men who are travelling thousands of miles to assault and rape girls and children are not from the societies that you have identified.
And that is not "likelihood". That is reality. |
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Them foreign savages just can't be trusted with our civilised women. Derp
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What evidence?
![]() The large numbers of British men travelling to Asia to assault and rape girls and children. |
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I'd like to know which pond some of the people on here have migrated from.
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Hmm, the morally superior stance is strong with this thread. #fake
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Simple fact is that even when born and raised in the UK, men from a Islamic culture commit rape at a level disproportionate to their population. This problem will only be exasperated when bringing the men directly from third world misogynistic cultures. Muslim males in the UK make up 2.5% of the population, 12% of males incarcerated for rape are Muslims.
Freedom of Information Request You requested the following information from the Ministry of Justice (MoJ): For future discussions and potential programme-making we would like to investigate reports that 60% of males in prison convicted of rape are Muslims. Please can you give us the proper stats for these? Your request has been handled under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA) and I can confirm that the MoJ holds information that you have asked for and it is provided below. Sexual offences are traumatising crimes which ruin lives. Tough new sentences are available for those who commit these dreadful crimes - and under this Government sex offenders are more likely to go to prison and for longer. We recently introduced a new mandatory life sentence for people convicted of a second very serious sexual or violent crime and introduced tough new Extended Determinate Sentence which will ensure dangerous offenders spend long periods in prison and are supervised for long periods after their release. As at 31 March 2014, the latest point in time for which data is available for public use, the male prison population in England and Wales for all offenders serving immediate custodial sentence for rape was 5,682. Of this, there were 676 offenders who self-declared their religion as Muslim (12% of the total). Please note that the figures given relate to offenders for whom these offences were the principal offences for which they were sentenced to immediate custody. When a defendant has been found guilty of two or more offences it is the offence for which the heaviest penalty is imposed. Where the same disposal is imposed for two or more offences, the offence selected is the offence for which the statutory maximum penalty is the most severe. As such offenders convicted of murder and rape at the same time are excluded from the figures. Also the data relates to prisoners’ current self-declared religion, not any previously declared religion on reception into prison as prisoners are under no obligation to declare their religion. These figures have been drawn from administrative IT systems which, as with any large scale recording system, are subject to possible errors with data entry and processing. |
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Because most of them come from barbaric, lawless and misogynistic societies where such behaviour can go unchecked/unrestrained, unreported and unnoticed.
So that increases the likelihood of more lawbreaking and barbaric things happening here. Thailand and other far eastern countries are home to and/ or the preferred holiday destination of large numbers of British sex tourists, many of them paedophiles You should also read up on the long and often impressive cultures of the "barbaric, lawless and misogynistic" societies of which you speak. What has happened in Syria, in recent years only, is a tragedy. Well, at least you're an honest if typically misinformed racist. |
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I think I am angry, but probably not allowed to show it.
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Simple fact is that even when born and raised in the UK, men from a Islamic culture commit rape at a level disproportionate to their population. This problem will only be exasperated when bringing the men directly from third world misogynistic cultures. Muslim males in the UK make up 2.5% of the population, 12% of males incarcerated for rape are Muslims.
Freedom of Information Request You requested the following information from the Ministry of Justice (MoJ): For future discussions and potential programme-making we would like to investigate reports that 60% of males in prison convicted of rape are Muslims. Please can you give us the proper stats for these? Your request has been handled under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA) and I can confirm that the MoJ holds information that you have asked for and it is provided below. Sexual offences are traumatising crimes which ruin lives. Tough new sentences are available for those who commit these dreadful crimes - and under this Government sex offenders are more likely to go to prison and for longer. We recently introduced a new mandatory life sentence for people convicted of a second very serious sexual or violent crime and introduced tough new Extended Determinate Sentence which will ensure dangerous offenders spend long periods in prison and are supervised for long periods after their release. As at 31 March 2014, the latest point in time for which data is available for public use, the male prison population in England and Wales for all offenders serving immediate custodial sentence for rape was 5,682. Of this, there were 676 offenders who self-declared their religion as Muslim (12% of the total). Please note that the figures given relate to offenders for whom these offences were the principal offences for which they were sentenced to immediate custody. When a defendant has been found guilty of two or more offences it is the offence for which the heaviest penalty is imposed. Where the same disposal is imposed for two or more offences, the offence selected is the offence for which the statutory maximum penalty is the most severe. As such offenders convicted of murder and rape at the same time are excluded from the figures. Also the data relates to prisoners’ current self-declared religion, not any previously declared religion on reception into prison as prisoners are under no obligation to declare their religion. These figures have been drawn from administrative IT systems which, as with any large scale recording system, are subject to possible errors with data entry and processing. |
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People using the rape and murder of a young woman to score cheap political points.
Honest to effing God! |
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I'd say, on your analsysis, we should be more concerned about allowing Americans into the country given its history of crime, gun crime and rape.
Thailand and other far eastern countries are home to and/ or the preferred holiday destination of large numbers of British sex tourists, many of them paedophiles You should also read up on the long and often impressive cultures of the "barbaric, lawless and misogynistic" societies of which you speak. What has happened in Syria, in recent years only, is a tragedy. Well, at least you're an honest if typically misinformed racist. Do you even hear yourself? Is there no round shaped argument the liberals will not try and shove their square shipped peg into? The more I read from the modern liberals the more I am convinced they have a disorder. |
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Look at the statistics for black prisoners in the US. Just 12 to 13% if the population yet between 35 to 37% of the prison population. do you subscribe to Trunksters view that these people hail from "barbaric, lawless and mysoginistic" societies?
This simple premise also applies to why Muslims, who come from a culture that does not afford women equal rights, who punish the victim of rape, force a woman to cover up or face violence and who all believe the best of man married a child, who believe in court the word of a woman is worth less than that of a man, etc etc do you not see how these cultural beliefs produce men who commit rape at a level disproportionate to a culture raised on believing women and man to be equal and rape to be the very worst of crimes? |
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Simple fact is that even when born and raised in the UK, men from a Islamic culture commit rape at a level disproportionate to their population. This problem will only be exasperated when bringing the men directly from third world misogynistic cultures. Muslim males in the UK make up 2.5% of the population, 12% of males incarcerated for rape are Muslims.
Freedom of Information Request You requested the following information from the Ministry of Justice (MoJ): For future discussions and potential programme-making we would like to investigate reports that 60% of males in prison convicted of rape are Muslims. Please can you give us the proper stats for these? Your request has been handled under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA) and I can confirm that the MoJ holds information that you have asked for and it is provided below. Sexual offences are traumatising crimes which ruin lives. Tough new sentences are available for those who commit these dreadful crimes - and under this Government sex offenders are more likely to go to prison and for longer. We recently introduced a new mandatory life sentence for people convicted of a second very serious sexual or violent crime and introduced tough new Extended Determinate Sentence which will ensure dangerous offenders spend long periods in prison and are supervised for long periods after their release. As at 31 March 2014, the latest point in time for which data is available for public use, the male prison population in England and Wales for all offenders serving immediate custodial sentence for rape was 5,682. Of this, there were 676 offenders who self-declared their religion as Muslim (12% of the total). Please note that the figures given relate to offenders for whom these offences were the principal offences for which they were sentenced to immediate custody. When a defendant has been found guilty of two or more offences it is the offence for which the heaviest penalty is imposed. Where the same disposal is imposed for two or more offences, the offence selected is the offence for which the statutory maximum penalty is the most severe. As such offenders convicted of murder and rape at the same time are excluded from the figures. Also the data relates to prisoners’ current self-declared religion, not any previously declared religion on reception into prison as prisoners are under no obligation to declare their religion. These figures have been drawn from administrative IT systems which, as with any large scale recording system, are subject to possible errors with data entry and processing. https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/inspections/muslim-prisoners-experiences-a-thematic-review/ If, as suggested in the report, 30% convert whilst inside then your figure of 12% suddenly becomes 8%. If then you consider that many would of identified when asked on entry to prison (where as before entry to prison they did not identify as Muslim) then that figure reduces even more. |
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This makes sense, because a few pedophiles fly to Thailand to take advantage of the poor children who suffer because of their countries lax enforcement of laws and failure to provide protection to their women and children from dangerous men who come to their country, we should wholeheartedly accept mass immigration from misogynistic rapey child marriage cultures least we look very slightly hypocritical?!?!?!
Do you even hear yourself? Is there no round shaped argument the liberals will not try and shove their square shipped peg into? The more I read from the modern liberals the more I am convinced they have a disorder. You really are barking, chum. Is there any culture, any country you're not prepared to generalise, pigeonhole and otherwise trash to justify your racist beliefs? We have more money per capita than the Thais; it doesn't make us in any way morally superior to them. And as per my last post, the propensity for minorities (almost any minority, btw) in the U.K. or US to inhabit prisons in disproportionate numbers says far more about our society than theirs! |
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