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Old 05-12-2016, 13:26
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Ssshhhh Community cohesion.
Which community would that be then?
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Old 05-12-2016, 13:26
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If you read p29 of this report from HM chief inspector for prison's, you'll find many prisoners convert to Islam whilst incarcerated.

If, as suggested in the report, 30% convert whilst inside then your figure of 12% suddenly becomes 8%.

If then you consider that many would of identified when asked on entry to prison (where as before entry to prison they did not identify as Muslim) then that figure reduces even more.
You are stretching, the men self identified as Muslim on entery to prison, even with your stretching you still best case show Muslims are disproportionately committing rape.
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Old 05-12-2016, 13:29
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Indeed. Best we just pretend everything is rosy and carry on as if nothing had happened.
QED..
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Old 05-12-2016, 13:31
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Them foreign savages just can't be trusted with our civilised women. Derp
The women of Cologne could tell you about that. And Southern Italy. Oh, and Sweden.
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Old 05-12-2016, 13:33
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Right....so now Its the the Thai's fault that our worst pitch up and rape their children. You really are barking, chum. Is there any culture, any country you're not prepared to generalise, pigeonhole and otherwise trash to justify your racist beliefs? We have more money per capita than the Thais; it doesn't make us in any way morally superior to them.

And as per my last post, the propensity for minorities (almost any minority, btw) in the U.K. or US to inhabit prisons in disproportionate numbers says far more about our society than theirs!
You are trying the what about argument, because some pedophiles go to Thailand to rape children you like to think we should therfore not try and control immigrants from misogynistic cultures into our own country, is this your point?

And you are wrong, several minorities excel in European and American societies. It's not palatable for liberals but it's mostly blacks and Muslims that have "problems"
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Old 05-12-2016, 13:36
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You are trying the what about argument, because some pedophiles go to Thailand to rape children you like to think we should therfore not try and control immigrants from misogynistic cultures into our own country, is this your point?

And you are wrong, several minorities excel in European and American societies. It's not palatable for liberals but it's mostly blacks and Muslims that have "problems"
It appears you have a few as well, which minorities are you referring to?
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Old 05-12-2016, 13:43
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You are stretching, the men self identified as Muslim on entery to prison, even with your stretching you still best case show Muslims are disproportionately committing rape.
I'm just telling you what the report says. I put a url down now I forgot before.


Your acceptance of it is up to you but I see no reason to doubt it's reliability.

I would also add that by saying 8% rape convicts out of 2.5% of the population is statisticaly insignificant. We're dealing with a few hundred out of a population of approx 1.3 million people.
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Old 05-12-2016, 13:48
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It appears you have a few as well, which minorities are you referring to?
Muslim males make up 15% of the self identified prison population on entry......... look at squirrel.......... blacks in America........... pedophiles in Thailand...............

It's like some people don't want to discuss the problem?
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Old 05-12-2016, 13:52
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Muslim males make up 15% of the self identified prison population on entry......... look at squirrel.......... blacks in America........... pedophiles in Thailand...............

It's like some people don't want to discuss the problem?
Your quoted foi response states

Also the data relates to prisoners’ current self-declared religion, not any previously declared religion on reception into prison as prisoners are under no obligation to declare their religion

What we're looking at here is difference of approximately 0.01 between muslim males and the rest of the male population who are serving time for rape conviction.

Hardly enough of a deviation to declare Muslims are more rapey than anyone.
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Old 05-12-2016, 13:54
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The original point was, before the whataboutery side track, if Muslims who are born and raised in the UK still are affected by the misogyny in their culture to commit rape at a level six times the national average then how can anyone be surprised that importing young Muslim men directly from a village in Afghanistan where they have been indoctrinated to believe women to be worthless will result in more attacks on our women and children. An undeniable logic.
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:08
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The original point was, before the whataboutery side track, if Muslims who are born and raised in the UK still are affected by the misogyny in their culture to commit rape at a level six times the national average then how can anyone be surprised that importing young Muslim men directly from a village in Afghanistan where they have been indoctrinated to believe women to be worthless will result in more attacks on our women and children. An undeniable logic.
Your logic is a prejudiced one and it's the same logic used by prejudiced people from the beginning of time.
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:11
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Your logic is a prejudiced one and it's the same logic used by prejudiced people from the beginning of time.
Is facts, statistics and figures now called prejudiced? Migrants coming from a misogynistic rapey culture will be more prone to rape is a far out crazy statement?
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:22
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Is facts, statistics and figures now called prejudiced? Migrants coming from a misogynistic rapey culture will be more prone to rape is a far out crazy statement?
It is crazy for the reasons I've given you.

Your lack of response to the reasons indicate that you care very little for them and that you are quite happy to wallow in your own ignorance.
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:25
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Simple fact is that even when born and raised in the UK, men from a Islamic culture commit rape at a level disproportionate to their population. This problem will only be exasperated when bringing the men directly from third world misogynistic cultures. Muslim males in the UK make up 2.5% of the population, 12% of males incarcerated for rape are Muslims.
An age and social economic adjusted comparison of reported rape assailants, arrests and conviction rates would be more interesting, as the comparison would be like to like.

The figures your using maybe inflated because the Muslim population demographics are much younger than the general UK population, the Muslim population social economic demographics are much lower than the general UK population, members of minority groups are much more likely to plead innocent and in part as a result more likely to get longer prison sentences.
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:26
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I'd say, on your analsysis, we should be more concerned about allowing Americans into the country given its history of crime, gun crime and rape.

Thailand and other far eastern countries are home to and/ or the preferred holiday destination of large numbers of British sex tourists, many of them paedophiles

You should also read up on the long and often impressive cultures of the "barbaric, lawless and misogynistic" societies of which you speak. What has happened in Syria, in recent years only, is a tragedy.

Well, at least you're an honest if typically misinformed racist.
As per usual, the racist card, plus a little bit of pointless straw man whataboutary about America.
So tell me what civilised enlightened liberal countries have thse migrants come from?
As regards to Thailand sex tourists , that's THEIR problem on THEIR soil. The fact that they allow it to continue and adults have to leave these shores in order to engage in such activities tells you more about Thailand than this country.
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:35
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It's like some people don't want to discuss the problem?
Its not part of the liberal vision - Just discussing it is racist!
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:37
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You are trying the what about argument, because some pedophiles go to Thailand to rape children you like to think we should therfore not try and control immigrants from misogynistic cultures into our own country, is this your point?

And you are wrong, several minorities excel in European and American societies. It's not palatable for liberals but it's mostly blacks and Muslims that have "problems"
My point is that as soon as I introduced a counter argument by introducing the example if the Thai sex industry, your immediate response was to blame the Thai's and make a series if ignorant, prejudiced comments about "rapey" cultures, mysogeny etc. which is telling as to your approach generally, that's all.

I suspect that I come from one of the "successful" cultures to which you refer, being Judaism. But I have to tell you, as a regular on this board, I see as much if not more anti semitism arising out of that percieved "success" and the bizarre, world domination nation conspiracy theories that flow from it, as I see directed toward Muslims on threads such as these.

So far as Intergration is concerned, my experience is you're damned if you do and damed if you don't. Where racists are concerned, you just can't win.
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:41
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An age and social economic adjusted comparison of reported rape assailants, arrests and conviction rates would be more interesting, as the comparison would be like to like.

The figures your using maybe inflated because the Muslim population demographics are much younger than the general UK population, the Muslim population social economic demographics are much lower than the general UK population, members of minority groups are much more likely to plead innocent and in part as a result more likely to get longer prison sentences.
You raise some good points, and things like average age, socioeconomic factors (though not sure how much poverty affects rape) but the thing that astounds me is that you can see how these things could have an affect on statistics yet give the cultural upbringing of misogyny and no women's rights and being indoctrinated by a book that compels them to rape slaves and marry children has no effect? You search like a detective to find any anomaly in the statistics yet ignore the obvious main contributor. It's weird.
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:43
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As per usual, the racist card, plus a little bit of pointless straw man whataboutary about America.
So tell me what civilised enlightened liberal countries have thse migrants come from?
As regards to Thailand sex tourists , that's THEIR problem on THEIR soil. The fact that they allow it to continue and adults have to leave these shores in order to engage in such activities tells you more about Thailand than this country.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria

Wikipedia is your friend.

Some impressive classical antiquities and culture, I'm sure you'll agree.
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:47
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The liberals have shutdown all constructive discussion on difficult topics, they have managed to win all the social battles of the last 20 years. Political correctness has gone over the top.

And the biggest outcome is that they have created/empowered the alt-right. All you people shouting racist should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Old 05-12-2016, 15:03
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The liberals have shutdown all constructive discussion on difficult topics, they have managed to win all the social battles of the last 20 years. Political correctness has gone over the top.

And the biggest outcome is that they have created/empowered the alt-right. All you people shouting racist should be ashamed of yourselves.
If an individual fails to acknowledge or respond to a challenge or scrutiny to their argument but then continues to reaffirm their belief, one can only conclude that this person has a biased agenda.

If that bias relates to classes of people it's only natural to respond with the R word.

This poster has an opportunity to engage with the scutiny of his argument.

They don't seem to be intrested in doing so.
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Old 05-12-2016, 15:07
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The liberals have shutdown all constructive discussion on difficult topics, they have managed to win all the social battles of the last 20 years. Political correctness has gone over the top.

And the biggest outcome is that they have created/empowered the alt-right. All you people shouting racist should be ashamed of yourselves.
How is your post constructive re a difficult topic, by blaming others and making convenient soundbites, you're inadvertently playing the same game as the so called liberals.

I doubt anyone of significance on either the left or right can discuss this from an honest moral standpoint, without babbling on about PC/MC or racism.
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Old 05-12-2016, 15:18
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The liberals have shutdown all constructive discussion on difficult topics, they have managed to win all the social battles of the last 20 years. Political correctness has gone over the top.

And the biggest outcome is that they have created/empowered the alt-right. All you people shouting racist should be ashamed of yourselves.
The liberals live in places like Richmond park and Hampstead where they can love it but don't have to live it.
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Old 05-12-2016, 15:26
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria

Wikipedia is your friend.

Some impressive classical antiquities and culture, I'm sure you'll agree.
So WAS Egypt and so WAS Iran & Iraq, but that was centuries ago - so your point being ?
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Old 05-12-2016, 15:27
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This makes sense, because a few pedophiles fly to Thailand to take advantage of the poor children who suffer because of their countries lax enforcement of laws and failure to provide protection to their women and children from dangerous men who come to their country, we should wholeheartedly accept mass immigration from misogynistic rapey child marriage cultures least we look very slightly hypocritical?!?!?!
A few?
It is not a few.
The numbers are absolutely astonishing.

And it is not whataboutery either.
The thread topic is men who assault girls after travelling thousands of miles.
We are discussing that....but you no longer seem to be quite as keen on the discussion.
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