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Old 05-12-2016, 09:12
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So why hasn't the cuddly multiculturalism melting pot worked?
Years have gone by with people questioning the problem of integration but labeled racist but now the government has finally acknowledged the problem.

This problem gets swept under the carpet time and time again but now has got to a cross ways. I think if governments have to help integration that in its self shows that multiculturalism does not work.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38200989
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Old 05-12-2016, 09:31
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Interestingly this has little to do with EU migrants, most of whom speak English and live in mixed communities.

Muslim immigration appears to be the biggest issue here - sadly successive governments and local authorities have allowed these mono cultural Muslim enclaves to be set up, including allowing religious schools and a form of sharia law which can be used to settle issues such as divorces.
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Old 05-12-2016, 09:40
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As part of his campaign to encourage integration Cameron cut spending on learning to speak English classes with the result that what classes that do exist have long waiting lists.
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Old 05-12-2016, 09:49
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As part of his campaign to encourage integration Cameron cut spending on learning to speak English classes with the result that what classes that do exist have long waiting lists.
To be fair though I am not sure why taxpayers should pay for people to learn English - if I go and live in France I wouldn't expect the French government to pay for me to learn French.

If you move to a foreign country then you should be prepared to make sure you learn the language.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:00
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I wonder which particular community denies their women even "basic rights" and carries out "harmful religious practices"?
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:07
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I wonder which particular community denies their women even "basic rights" and carries out "harmful religious practices"?
Perhaps you are thinking of Ultra orthodox Jews.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:08
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Nice to see the Dog Whistles are taking place already.

It would be ever nicer if people had the courage of their convictions when posting.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:13
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Interestingly this has little to do with EU migrants, most of whom speak English and live in mixed communities.

Muslim immigration appears to be the biggest issue here - sadly successive governments and local authorities have allowed these mono cultural Muslim enclaves to be set up, including allowing religious schools and a form of sharia law which can be used to settle issues such as divorces.
When we leave the EU, and the allegedly-promised relaxed regime to Commonwealth countries comes in to play, the Eastern European migration may well be replaced with more migration from Commonwealth, Islamic countries. I'm struggling to see how this will fix the problem here.

Those 300,000 people per year have to come from somewhere, and I see no evidence whatsoever that this number will actually fall.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:22
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When we leave the EU, and the allegedly-promised relaxed regime to Commonwealth countries comes in to play, the Eastern European migration may well be replaced with more migration from Commonwealth, Islamic countries. I'm struggling to see how this will fix the problem here.

Those 300,000 people per year have to come from somewhere, and I see no evidence whatsoever that this number will actually fall.
Afaik that's not the case. The idea is that people from the EU will have the same requirements for entry as those from the Commonwealth.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:24
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Nice to see the Dog Whistles are taking place already.

It would be ever nicer if people had the courage of their convictions when posting.
Do you know who you are talking about because I don't; you need to use the quote function.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:26
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Afaik that's not the case. The idea is that people from the EU will have the same requirements for entry as those from the Commonwealth.
There have been allegations that various politicians were going around promising Commonwealth countries relaxed immigration rights, which is why I referred to it as an alleged relaxed regime.

We'll see. One thing is for sure, these countries want increased migration to the UK...
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:30
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When we leave the EU, and the allegedly-promised relaxed regime to Commonwealth countries comes in to play, the Eastern European migration may well be replaced with more migration from Commonwealth, Islamic countries. I'm struggling to see how this will fix the problem here.

Those 300,000 people per year have to come from somewhere, and I see no evidence whatsoever that this number will actually fall.
No, they don't. Why can't we have 20,000 - 30,000 coming instead?
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:36
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As part of his campaign to encourage integration Cameron cut spending on learning to speak English classes with the result that what classes that do exist have long waiting lists.
I don't want to pay for people to learn English, it's for them to fund IF they really want to get on.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:42
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Interestingly this has little to do with EU migrants, most of whom speak English and live in mixed communities.

Muslim immigration appears to be the biggest issue here - sadly successive governments and local authorities have allowed these mono cultural Muslim enclaves to be set up, including allowing religious schools and a form of sharia law which can be used to settle issues such as divorces.
Give it time and they will also congregate. In some ways they already do. It is the availability of housing that mainly limits it. Once they start to get control of housing stock it becomes a different matter.

As part of his campaign to encourage integration Cameron cut spending on learning to speak English classes with the result that what classes that do exist have long waiting lists.
Teaching them English or making them take an oath to the UK won't make the slightest difference. Never has, never will. Their allegiance isn't to any country, but to their own kind, ie they're racist but we're not allowed to say it out loud.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:57
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A melting pot seems like it would only work/happen for multi-ethnic societies not multi-cultural ones.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:10
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Do those posters bemoaning the lack of integration want to have Mosques spread about the country, have Muslims move in next door to them, want their children going to school alongside Muslims, want to work alongside Muslim colleagues, want more Muslims to be taking part across all walks of life from shop staff to school teachers to police officers to politicians, and want to see more interfaith couples and marriages. Do those posters actually want UK society society more integrated and intermixed with Muslims?
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:15
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To be fair though I am not sure why taxpayers should pay for people to learn English - if I go and live in France I wouldn't expect the French government to pay for me to learn French.

If you move to a foreign country then you should be prepared to make sure you learn the language.
So your solution is to do nothing and make things worse.

If the mountain won't come to Mohammed...
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:16
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The report appears to focus on women and Islam and what it terms misogyny and patriarchy which is rather difficult to argue against. What to do about it ano matter.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:22
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Do those posters bemoaning the lack of integration want to have Mosques spread about the country, have Muslims move in next door to them, want their children going to school alongside Muslims, want to work alongside Muslim colleagues, want more Muslims to be taking part across all walks of life from shop staff to school teachers to police officers to politicians, and want to see more interfaith couples and marriages. Do they actually want to be part of a more integrated and intermixed UK society?
It's would be hardly noticed if immigrants were spread across the whole of the UK , that the whole point. It would be immigrants fitting into Britain rather than living a life like their mother country. And yes people would accept immigration it is was not to transform their towns like Bradford and alike
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:24
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Do those posters bemoaning the lack of integration want to have Mosques spread about the country, have Muslims move in next door to them, want their children going to school alongside Muslims, want to work alongside Muslim colleagues, want more Muslims to be taking part across all walks of life from shop staff to school teachers to police officers to politicians, and want to see more interfaith couples and marriages. Do those posters actually want UK society society more integrated and intermixed with Muslims?
Sounds exactly like where I grew up. Everyone seemed happy about the situation.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:26
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There's more to multiculturalism than just Islam. Millions of black, Chinese and South Asian folk are perfectly integrated into our society, the huge rise in the numbers of mixed race kids and relationships prove that.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:32
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It's would be hardly noticed if immigrants were spread across the whole of the UK , that the whole point. It would be immigrants fitting into Britain rather than living a life like their mother country. And yes people would accept immigration it is was not to transform their towns like Bradford and alike
It would still be noticeable. Just 5% of a small town of 100,000 people is 5,000. More than enough to group together, no matter how spread around the country. Allowing community centres just for their own kind(whichever one that is) just exacerbates the problems. Community is meant to be "the" community, not "their" community.

I remember a poster on a bus trying to encourage people from other races/faiths to join the Police force. What struck me most, was it referred to them serving "your community" as opposed to "the community".
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:32
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Do those posters bemoaning the lack of integration want to have Mosques spread about the country,
Already are. There's at least two in my town.

have Muslims move in next door to them, want their children going to school alongside Muslims,
How about in the same house? Mrs Nodger (& indirectly our kids).

want to work alongside Muslim colleagues, want more Muslims to be taking part across all walks of life from shop staff to school teachers to police officers to politicians,
Have done and do

and want to see more interfaith couples and marriages.
See above.

Do those posters actually want UK society society more integrated and intermixed with Muslims?
Of course, what a stupid thing to say... but, that doesn't mean I, Mrs Nodger or anyone else does not see (understand) that there are social issues of integration and community self-induced seclusion in some regions.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:33
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There's more to multiculturalism than just Islam. Millions of black, Chinese and South Asian folk are perfectly integrated into our society, the huge rise in the numbers of mixed race kids and relationships prove that.
No they're not perfectly integrated. Just look at the community centres and associations.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:37
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Do you know who you are talking about because I don't; you need to use the quote function.
Try Googling it.

I mean you won't, for reasons, preferring to feign ignorance.
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