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Why would anyone have a problem with this unless they were a massive racist?
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Mirpur is in Pakistan. Any reason you felt the need to separate them?
Also, Orthodox Jews are probably even less integrated, but they aren't Muslims, so they're OK are they? But it does kind of blow your "one religion in common" line out of the water. There are only around 50,000 orthodox Jews in the whole of the UK. The biggest single concentration is around 15,000 (London). There are well over a million Pakistanis in the UK. Over 170,000 in the North West of England alone. And Orthodox Jews don't chase white British people out of the areas in which they live. In fact, they are some of the best neighbours you could wish to have, and the areas they live in are kept pristine. |
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As the report points out in one recent year more money was spent promoting the Cornish language than the English language, efforts are hotchpotch and piece meal. They seem to be more related to making the government looking as if it's doing something than doing something.
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Hardly comparable.
There are only around 50,000 orthodox Jews in the whole of the UK. The biggest single concentration is around 15,000 (London). There are well over a million Pakistanis in the UK. Over 170,000 in the North West of England alone. And Orthodox Jews don't chase white British people out of the areas in which they live. In fact, they are some of the best neighbours you could wish to have, and the areas they live in are kept pristine. |
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Mirpur is in Pakistan. Any reason you felt the need to separate them?
Also, Orthodox Jews are probably even less integrated, but they aren't Muslims, so they're OK are they? But it does kind of blow your "one religion in common" line out of the water. I like being informed by other cultures, so I really don't get where a lot of people are coming from on this thread. And Vast Girth made an obvious but valid point. |
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Hardly comparable.
There are only around 50,000 orthodox Jews in the whole of the UK. The biggest single concentration is around 15,000 (London). There are well over a million Pakistanis in the UK. Over 170,000 in the North West of England alone. And Orthodox Jews don't chase white British people out of the areas in which they live. In fact, they are some of the best neighbours you could wish to have, and the areas they live in are kept pristine. Virtually all Muslims don't chase white British people out of areas in which they live, but let's just throw in some casual racism, then complain when someone calls you racist. |
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Mirpur is in Pakistan. Any reason you felt the need to separate them?
Also, Orthodox Jews are probably even less integrated, but they aren't Muslims, so they're OK are they? But it does kind of blow your "one religion in common" line out of the water. |
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This wanting their third world laws and aspirations to supercede UK law results in attacks like this.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...anjem-choudary Man jailed for attacking boy over embrace with girl in London street Michael Coe, an associate of hate preacher Anjem Choudary, sentenced to 28 months after knocking teenager unconscious |
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This wanting their third world laws and aspirations to supercede UK law results in attacks like this.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...anjem-choudary Man jailed for attacking boy over embrace with girl in London street Michael Coe, an associate of hate preacher Anjem Choudary, sentenced to 28 months after knocking teenager unconscious |
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Because many British Pakistanis tend to seperate themselves from mipuri. I'm not going to go into the reasons why.
"Islamic faith differences"? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ctarian-attack As far as I am aware no other immigrant OR cultural group in this country has taken to the streets demanding that violent acts should be committed against "non-believers". It still shocks me that this (and worse) happens in public places and very few perpetrators are brought to court to face charges of inciting violence. |
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Are you thinking of the case in Scotland when a shopkeeper was murdered because of
"Islamic faith differences"? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ctarian-attack As far as I am aware no other immigrant OR cultural group in this country has taken to the streets demanding that violent acts should be committed against "non-believers". It still shocks me that this (and worse) happens in public places and very few perpetrators are brought to court to face charges of inciting violence. |
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According to NatCen British Social Attitudes Survey 40% of the population of the UK self identify as having racial prejudice.
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"The community" is a general term. "The X community" is a specific one. "The community" doesn't necessarily include you, ie you help people wherever they're from, whereas "your community" has "ownership".
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I stay in an area with the highest concentration of Jews in Scotland, had I not been informed of this I would not have been aware of it.
That is integration. |
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Can't find it on the NatCen site, which study (which year)?
The question in the British Social Attitudes Survey is or was "would you describe yourself as prejudice against people of other races?" |
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There's an awful misconception of what integration means, it's very different from coexisting communities. I would even say Asian communities aren't really integrated, however they coexist with British communities. However, the Asian generation born in the UK are much more integrated though.
What I mean is, Asian communities will keep to themselves, and you can freely walk around talking to them, however you aren't part of their community. There's no animosity involved, nor do they seek to take over or cause trouble, but you aren't really part of their network. I know of Asian people who happily live in the UK, and know British people, but it's only by acquaintance and they don't get together or anything like that, and their network of friends are all Asian. The point is, their inner circle are people from their own community. The UK born Asians are more open though, and their inner circle will comprise of both people from their community and British. The reason why language courses in the UK don't work, is because they don't really help people learn English properly. I know a relative of mine, went to a once or twice a week free type English courses at the local college, which was fine for the first term and they learned something, but then in the second term, it was the exact same content over again. If you wanted to learn in depth, then you need to sign up for a full time English course at the college, which many won't do, because they work full time and it was only on their days off, that they go on the free course. There's also the problem of the free English courses, are only in it for the government money. The try to gather as many people on the course for the government grants, and only teach the same content over and over again. Plus it's the basic primary school level English too, such as animal names, buildings, modes of transport and etc. There is no progression, but government money is being wasted. |
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2011, it has fallen to 30% in 2013. Do not know if they still ask the question.
The question in the British Social Attitudes Survey is or was "would you describe yourself as prejudice against people or other races?" BIB: but not quite the original picture typed "40% of the population of the UK self identify as having racial prejudice" and hence why I couldn't find it. Considering the question asked (assuming you have now typed word for word) I'm surprised the % isn't higher. Most people have "prejudice against people" for something even if spurious, I would say. You yourself would have described yourself as a "yes". |
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Thank you.
BIB: but not quite the original picture typed "40% of the population of the UK self identify as having racial prejudice" and hence why I couldn't find it. Considering the question asked (assuming you have now typed word for word) I'm surprised the % isn't higher. Most people have "prejudice against people" for something even if spurious, I would say. |
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Sorry the bit you put in bold was a mistype by me on my tablet its of not or. Have corrected my post.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/equityDiversi...s-survey-2013/ (Best source from quick google, worth a read on it's own to. May delve back into NatCen later). |
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Why would anyone have a problem with this unless they were a massive racist?
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So it's OK for ultra orthodox Jews not to integrate.
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Try Googling it.
I mean you won't, for reasons, preferring to feign ignorance. Quote:
Nice to see the Dog Whistles are taking place already. It would be ever nicer if people had the courage of their convictions when posting Which word(s) do I Google? |
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The folk the report is talking about are the ones at the bottom who in reality have a lot in common with their "local" equivalents.
It's another report that categorises people and isolates them. |
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I wonder which particular community denies their women even "basic rights" and carries out "harmful religious practices"?
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Perhaps you are thinking of Ultra orthodox Jews.
Pro life, no abortion, rape in marriage doesn't exist etc etc... I think it is more to do with extremism and people buying into that and using religion, any religion to prop up those views by distorting the religion it is done mostly by men sadly. |
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Of course it is not however the whole point about integration is the scale of the problem as regards threats to society, denial of rights of female and young UK citizens and actual physical harm to young as well as ethnic tensions in society. Orthodox Jews are low key and relatively small in number. Some others are not and 'orthodoxy' leads to major problems in terms of law and order.
Also in regards to threats to society and ethnic tensions and law and order antisemitism is a problem in our society as is islamaphobia. |
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