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Old 05-12-2016, 14:18
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The USA isn't a democracy.
What is it then?
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:19
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Oh FGS - what the Hell is wrong with people?

Did Trump get elected because people were bored with the staus quo?

Be very careful of what you wish for
- nothing happening may well be infinitely better than what just might (be unleashed) happen.
Ah you mean you wanted Hillary, be very careful of what you wish for, yes indeedy.

That would have been soooo much better for world peace.
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:23
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From his twits it seem countries have to run their monetary polices past him first and get his approval, that should go down well with those who voted leave to regain sovereignty.
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:39
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A republic
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:58
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err a Republic and Democracy are not mutually exclusive

A Republic is defined as

a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch

A Democracy is defined as

a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives

The United States meets both those Definitions. It is both a Republic and a Democracy.

Just as the UK is a Constitutional Monarchy but also meets the definition of a Democracy
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Old 05-12-2016, 16:05
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He seems to have piss poor judgement.
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Old 05-12-2016, 16:34
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He seems to have piss poor judgement.
I can't work out whether he's an evil genius, a troll, or a moron.

We'll find out over the next few years
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Old 05-12-2016, 16:48
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Trump is hilarious, both on and off Twitter. That's what's so good about him. He's DIFFERENT and a breath of fresh air. You wait, bet he does stuff as President that no other has dared to do previously. I can see him arguing with the Secret Service when he can't just go where he wants WHEN he wants, say to a restaurant or for a game of golf. He's said to be very petulant, like a child if he doesn't get his own way. Now a lot of people think he'll tone that down when in office but a leopard doesn't change it's spots. Should be hilarious and I can't wait. If a world leader dares to say anything that he doesn't like what's the betting that he slams the phone down on them and refuses any further contact?

I don't think he ever imagined that he'd actually win and probably nearly sh*t himself when he did so has thought now, "well let's have a bit of fun at this Presidency lark then" Having read up about his personality and temperament I can see him just getting fed up with the routine, limitations on his movements etc and hand over to Pence.
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Old 05-12-2016, 16:50
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Trump is hilarious, both on and off Twitter. That's what's so good about him. He's a breath of fresh air. You wait, bet he does stuff as President that no other has done previously. I can see him arguing with the Secret Service when he can't just go where he wants. He's said to be very petulant, like a child if he doesn't get his own way. Should be hilarious and I can't wait. If a world leader dares to say anything that he doesn't like what's the betting that he slams the phone down on them and refuses any further contact/
And that's hilarious is it
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Old 05-12-2016, 16:59
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Trump is hilarious, both on and off Twitter.
Trouble is this is reality not National Lampoons Presidential Election.

a breath of fresh air.
So is a hole in your roof.

I don't think he ever imagined that he'd actually win and probably nearly sh*t himself when he did so has thought now, "well let's have a bit of fun at this Presidency lark then" Having read up about his personality and temperament I can see him just getting fed up with the routine, limitations on his movements etc and hand over to Pence.
I'm not so sure he is self-aware enough to know that it is beyond him.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:08
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I can't work out whether he's an evil genius, a troll, or a moron.

We'll find out over the next few years
Indeed... I swore blind (and still do) that he started this entire journey 'tongue in cheek'.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:10
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He's a proper nutter
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:16
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Trump is hilarious, both on and off Twitter. That's what's so good about him. He's DIFFERENT and a breath of fresh air. You wait, bet he does stuff as President that no other has dared to do previously. I can see him arguing with the Secret Service when he can't just go where he wants WHEN he wants, say to a restaurant or for a game of golf. He's said to be very petulant, like a child if he doesn't get his own way. Now a lot of people think he'll tone that down when in office but a leopard doesn't change it's spots. Should be hilarious and I can't wait. If a world leader dares to say anything that he doesn't like what's the betting that he slams the phone down on them and refuses any further contact?

I don't think he ever imagined that he'd actually win and probably nearly sh*t himself when he did so has thought now, "well let's have a bit of fun at this Presidency lark then" Having read up about his personality and temperament I can see him just getting fed up with the routine, limitations on his movements etc and hand over to Pence.
Yeah, massive political and economic uncertainty, causing hostility and potentially conflict between nations, likely causing racial oppression and a reduction of rights for minorities and those who don't hold ultra conservative Christian values...

Oh, and most likely operating as a world leader in a manner that primarily makes personal profit for his business interests. Because that doesn't invite corruption or operating against the best interests of the people at all.

Sounds ****ing hilarious.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:35
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Its a state with a very old written constitution , and a lot of historical baggage. the Constitution is designed for an era when it was expected there were no parties, agreement would follow discussion, states would retain many rights, and government wouldn't do much.

The result has state rights that stop representation being based on population, and allow states to determine seat boundaries and voting provision. Its got a powerful second chamber base on state rights that can block the House- which is notionally based on a popular vote. A house thats gerrymandered locally, so that the overall result doesn't reflect the public vote. And an electoral college thats not based on population and so doesn't necesarily represent the public vote overall.

There's also a Supreme Court thats meant to be an impartial defender of the constitution and rights - but one where appointment was made a political decision - which defeated the point of the separation of powers.

The result is that you can get a legislature, President and Court that don't reflect the popular vote, or will, or even what the most people want. A very odd democracy.

And when you add parties to the mix , the way the constitution is set up, means that there's no ability to compromise and reach the logical agreement that the founding fathers intended, and nothing gets done.

And having set out to stop a monarchy developing - the constitution effectively allowed that in key areas by not seperating the roles of Commander in Chief , or making the Cabinet or President dependant on support in the legilsature. The result is the President has effectve control of war and peace issues , and either circumvents the legislature , or can't act at all if the stalemate in the legislature blocks any action.

its set up as a government of wise men reprepresenting the people, governing by agreement, and ended up as the imperial presidency , constrained by legislative deadlock, and with Donald Trump at its head.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:43
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I think it's great. I hope he keeps tweeting when he's in the White House.
Me too, it's much better than firing off letters which we don't get to see.

The use of social media is the way forward.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:56
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err a Republic and Democracy are not mutually exclusive

A Republic is defined as

a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch

A Democracy is defined as

a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives

The United States meets both those Definitions. It is both a Republic and a Democracy.

Just as the UK is a Constitutional Monarchy but also meets the definition of a Democracy
So why did the person who got the most votes not become President?
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Old 05-12-2016, 18:00
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Indeed... I swore blind (and still do) that he started this entire journey 'tongue in cheek'.
I'm sure he did and he never thought in a million years that he'd win. Once he started getting closer to the Nomination though his ego wouldn't let him withdraw as he'd lose face then.
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Old 05-12-2016, 18:23
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Its a state with a very old written constitution , and a lot of historical baggage. the Constitution is designed for an era when it was expected there were no parties, agreement would follow discussion, states would retain many rights, and government wouldn't do much.

The result has state rights that stop representation being based on population, and allow states to determine seat boundaries and voting provision. Its got a powerful second chamber base on state rights that can block the House- which is notionally based on a popular vote. A house thats gerrymandered locally, so that the overall result doesn't reflect the public vote. And an electoral college thats not based on population and so doesn't necesarily represent the public vote overall.

There's also a Supreme Court thats meant to be an impartial defender of the constitution and rights - but one where appointment was made a political decision - which defeated the point of the separation of powers.

The result is that you can get a legislature, President and Court that don't reflect the popular vote, or will, or even what the most people want. A very odd democracy.

And when you add parties to the mix , the way the constitution is set up, means that there's no ability to compromise and reach the logical agreement that the founding fathers intended, and nothing gets done.

And having set out to stop a monarchy developing - the constitution effectively allowed that in key areas by not seperating the roles of Commander in Chief , or making the Cabinet or President dependant on support in the legilsature. The result is the President has effectve control of war and peace issues , and either circumvents the legislature , or can't act at all if the stalemate in the legislature blocks any action.

its set up as a government of wise men reprepresenting the people, governing by agreement, and ended up as the imperial presidency , constrained by legislative deadlock, and with Donald Trump at its head.
I rarely agree with you but that's probably the best post of yours i've read.

The collapse of bipartisanship (due largely to the Republicans drifting ever further to the right) plus the extremely high threshold required for constitutional change means all of the above problems are only going to get worse in future.
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Old 05-12-2016, 19:24
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Indeed... I swore blind (and still do) that he started this entire journey 'tongue in cheek'.
Why??

He clearly sees himself as a winner, and winning is what he does, so why would he not think he could win this from the very start??

Thinking he did this for a league, or tongue in cheek is madness, as that doesn't seem to be his thinking when it comes to the serious parts of his life.
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Old 05-12-2016, 19:57
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Why??

He clearly sees himself as a winner, and winning is what he does, so why would he not think he could win this from the very start??

Thinking he did this for a league, or tongue in cheek is madness, as that doesn't seem to be his thinking when it comes to the serious parts of his life.
I wonder if he runs on instinct then justifies his actions to himself afterwards
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Old 05-12-2016, 20:43
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Who are these "higher instances of power" that you speak of?!
Could only be the chuckle brothers
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Old 05-12-2016, 21:05
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I wonder if he runs on instinct then justifies his actions to himself afterwards
I think he just has a huge faith in himself, rather than wishing to listen to others, he just does what he thinks is best.
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Old 05-12-2016, 21:29
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So why did the person who got the most votes not become President?
Because they don't have PR. Just like Labour lost the 1951 election despite getting the most votes.
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Old 06-12-2016, 09:30
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He is not putting America first, he is putting Donald Trump first. Replying on Twitter is not his job, such things are expected if you put yourself up for a leading political you expect to suffer a few brickbats (and worse).

Actions would speak far more than a petulant rant on twitter.
You prefer a political from the old school like Clinton? Trump is an outsider, he is an element of change, and he isn't in the 'job' till 19th January 2017.
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Old 06-12-2016, 09:52
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You prefer a political from the old school like Clinton? Trump is an outsider, he is an element of change, and he isn't in the 'job' till 19th January 2017.
Make that 20th at exactly noon DC time.
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