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Supreme Court Brexit Appeal
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HR Guru
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by DinkyDoobie:
“No you didn't otherwise you would be in breach of your obligations, they're binding.”

Oh so we didn't amend the Working Time Directive during debate in the Commons. It did not get held up in the Lords for further amendments after business lobbying and Parliament did not vote on it?

I think I rest my case if that's what you believe
HR Guru
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by DinkyDoobie:
“That she's a liar and a fraud. It was at the bottom of my post. I know you have trouble following things but i thought that was fairly clear,”

Well except she isn't.
DinkyDoobie
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by HR Guru:
“Well except she isn't.”

Well she is because all or most of her objections to article 50 are from rights granted by membership of the european union yet she claims she believes in the sovereignty of parliament.

How does objecting to your loss of rights to be an MEP and appeal to the CJEU or ECHR marry with your belief in parliamentary sovereignty
jmclaugh
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by HR Guru:
“Please enlighten us... when was the ECA amended last?”

According to the government legislation site it says "European Communities Act 1972 is up to date with all changes known to be in force on or before 02 December 2016. There are changes that may be brought into force at a future date."
DinkyDoobie
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by HR Guru:
“Oh so we didn't amend the Working Time Directive during debate in the Commons. It did not get held up in the Lords for further amendments after business lobbying and Parliament did not vote on it?

I think I rest my case if that's what you believe ”

Whether we ammended it or debated it is irrelevant to the fact that we were bound by it.

You really are terrible at this.
MargMck
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by HR Guru:
“See the news about the Tory revolt. 40 of them no support the motion tabled by Labour to get an outline of the Brexit goals. They include pro-Brexiters (they want to ensure she's not backtracking) and remainers.

It's getting quite tight for Tessie.”

Which is why I say that if she eventually has to "appeal to the people to get you justice" through a GE she will walk it and there will be one option left on the table - swift 'hard' Brexit, with Farron et al crying in a cupboard somewhere.
They are making a big mistake in pretending to put Brexit under the microscope when they are actually trying to stop it.
And Corbyn will still be leader of the Remnant Labour party and ordering them to back Brexit because that's what he wants, anyway.
HR Guru
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by DinkyDoobie:
“Whether we ammended it or debated it is irrelvant to the fact that we were bound by it.

You really are terrible at this.”

Oh dear. Do you actually know what an Act of Parliament is?

Repeating that I'm terrible at this doesn't make it any more true. I know that I'm damn good at what I do and pretty much all areas of law. So keep saying that I'm terrible at it as much as you like... it's not going to knock my confidence.
DinkyDoobie
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by HR Guru:
“Oh dear. Do you actually know what an Act of Parliament is?”

Yes i do, if you have a point perhaps you would like to enlighten us or embarass yourself further because you are arguing against a point that is impossible to refute.
Aurora13
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by luckylegs:
“Personally I don't care the end result will be the same.”

You don't care the government is wasting money and stirring up unrest for no good reason. Any reason is a bad reason.
HR Guru
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“Which is why I say that if she eventually has to "appeal to the people to get you justice" through a GE she will walk it and there will be one option left on the table - swift 'hard' Brexit, with Farron et al crying in a cupboard somewhere.
They are making a big mistake in pretending to put Brexit under the microscope when they are actually trying to stop it.
And Corbyn will still be leader of the Remnant Labour party and ordering them to back Brexit because that's what he wants, anyway.”

Depending on how the next few months work out I wouldn't be so sure she'd be PM after a GE regardless of the Tories getting a huge majority.
DinkyDoobie
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by HR Guru:
“. I know that I'm damn good at what I do and pretty much all areas of law..”

This is fantastic. Explain the law then instead of instructing people to run off and read.
HR Guru
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by DinkyDoobie:
“Yes i do, if you have a point perhaps you would like to enlighten us or embarass yourself further because you are arguing against a point that is impossible to refute.”

Originally Posted by DinkyDoobie:
“This is fantastic. Explain the law then instead of instructing people to run off and read.”

I think you'll do better on my ignore list.

You've done all the embarrassing yourself this afternoon so no need for me to do any of that.
DinkyDoobie
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by HR Guru:
“I think you'll do better on my ignore list.
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So when i ask you to explain the law that you know that you're damn good at what you do and pretty much all areas of law.. (sic) your response is to resort to telling me you're going to ignore me? i think that should tell everyone enough.
luckylegs
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Beanybun:
“Fair enough, but your point was what exactly

I agree with you re Tessie re the Appeal, which seems pointless and the result inevitable, though I'm pretty sure if she proceeded as you suggest, we'd be in court now arguing about the validity of said bill; at the very least a much stronger chance of it being rejected.

The fundamental problem here is that we the public want to see the shape of Tessie's Brexit. And suddenly she's come on all shy...”

The Judges of the Supreme Court have the same expertise or lack of it as the High Court Judges. My response was to a poster who thought the Supreme Court Judges to be more expert in law.
LakieLady
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Because parliament voted to give the power to the people. It's that simple ?!”

Parliament did no so such thing. It voted to ask the people what they thought. If parliament had voted to give "the power to the people", the referendum act would have said as much, like it did for the AV referendum.

By making the referendum advisory, parliament effectively reserved the final decision to itself.
Aurora13
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by luckylegs:
“The Judges of the Supreme Court have the same expertise or lack of it as the High Court Judges. My response was to a poster who thought the Supreme Court Judges to be more expert in law.”

If you believe experience in a profession contributes to making you more of an expert then they are. Personally I'd rather have complex surgery by an experienced surgeon. A surgeon who is an expert in their field.
luckylegs
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by HR Guru:
“Oh dear. You really have not got the foggiest idea how this works.

I'll ask you again - what did Parliament do with the Working Time Directive?”

Got a waiver get out /opt out of gaol clause which is what they could do on any EU employment laws which in my mind nullifies the screeching "we can't leave the EU what about our Employment laws?" You have just proved the EU isn't fit for purpose especially for Employment Laws. Do you wonder how I know this I will tell you a secret you can get around most of them.

As for TUPE

In April 2011 the UK Government proposed a number of reforms to TUPE.
luckylegs
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“If you believe experience in a profession contributes to making you more of an expert then they are. Personally I'd rather have complex surgery by an experienced surgeon. A surgeon who is an expert in their field.”

You have completely missed the point of course.
Aftershow
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by DinkyDoobie:
“Oh and i'd just like to point out that for all Gina Millers protestations about parliamentary sovereignty most (if not all) of her objections to article 50 are about rights granted by the EU.

She can't be elected as an MEP, she can't appeal to the ECJ/ECHR etc.

So much for democracy and parliamentary sovereignty. She's a liar and a fraud.”

Oh dear.

Her objection is to the withdrawal of rights as a whole. Those are simply specific examples of them (aside from your assertion about the ECtHR, as Article 50 will have zero impact on that)
LakieLady
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“Time for brandy and custard creams”

Good lord, no. A glass of Madeira is what you need with custard creams.
luckylegs
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by HR Guru:
“Oh so we didn't amend the Working Time Directive during debate in the Commons. It did not get held up in the Lords for further amendments after business lobbying and Parliament did not vote on it?

I think I rest my case if that's what you believe ”

You can't see the irony can you?
Aftershow
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by luckylegs:
“The Judges of the Supreme Court have the same expertise or lack of it as the High Court Judges. My response was to a poster who thought the Supreme Court Judges to be more expert in law.”

So you're still asserting that the process of appointment to the Supreme Court is simply a lottery?
Aftershow
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by DinkyDoobie:
“and appeal to the CJEU or ECHR marry with your belief in parliamentary sovereignty”

The ECHR has nothing to do with it.
LakieLady
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“You are on a very slippery slope if any government can remove individual rights by the Royal Prerogative.”

I'm mystified as to why people struggle to get this.

It would set such a dangerous precedent.
DinkyDoobie
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aftershow:
“Oh dear.

Her objection is to the withdrawal of rights as a whole.”

The lead claimant will also lose the right to rely on directly effective EU law rights in the English courts to interpret, or to override, other legislation enacted by Parliament.

She's a liar and a fraud.
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