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Supreme Court Brexit Appeal
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Aftershow
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Radlestort:
“If you think about it, if May was permitted to use the Royal Prerogative, a future government might be able to nix the procedure by arguing it was not done correctly in accordance with out constitutional conventions (which is a requirement of article 50) and stop Brexit in its tracks, forever.

You should be glad the judges are making sure the i's are dotted and the t's crossed.”

Indeed. Those who want a full iron-clad Brexit should be glad that our highest court is ruling on this so that we have a definitive answer on it.
DinkyDoobie
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“Just stick to the legal arguments, it's a legal case.”

I am sticking to the legal arguments. One of them, in her submission to the supreme court is that she will lose the ability to override Parliament with EU law.

https://www.mishcon.com/assets/manag...d_24.11.16.pdf
killjoy
05-12-2016
I can imagine May winning the case and then going to parliament with a one line bill for an enabling vote.
Aftershow
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by DinkyDoobie:
“I am sticking to the legal arguments. One of them, in her submission to the supreme court is that she will lose the ability to override Parliament with EU law.

https://www.mishcon.com/assets/manag...d_24.11.16.pdf”

When somebody consents to something, that isn't "overriding" them. So your legal 'analysis' falls at the first hurdle.
DinkyDoobie
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aftershow:
“When somebody consents to something, that isn't "overriding" them. So you legal 'analysis' falls at the first hurdle.”

Why are you talking about consent? she is making the argument that Parliament matters when the government can take us into treaties and as a result make us bound by the obligations of them and then lamenting the fact that the government can take them away all the while proclaiming how Parliament is sovereign because it makes those obligations domestic law and then lamenting the fact she can't override Parliament with laws that only the government can make us a party to.

It's a shitshow
Aftershow
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by DinkyDoobie:
“Why are you talking about consent? she is making the argument that Parliament matters when the government can take us into treaties and as a result make us bound by the obligations of them and then lamenting the fact that the government can take them away all the while proclaiming how Parliament is sovereign because it makes those obligations domestic law and then lamenting the fact she can't override Parliament with laws that only the governement can make us a party to.”

Parliament has consented to the supremacy of EU law. This is basic stuff.
DinkyDoobie
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aftershow:
“Parliament has consented to the supremacy of EU law. This is basic stuff.”

Yeah it is pretty basic... parliament doesn't sign treaties.
Mr Oleo Strut
05-12-2016
So on day one we've seen the Supreme Court in action - very good, the last bastion of our protection against the liars and spivs of our government. The Justices may all be old, but they are independent and experts in their field. From case law relating to the Royal Flying Corps to Freddy Laker's Skytrain legal precedent was explored relentlessly. Boring it might have been but the Justices were not to be stopped and Mrs May's poodle looked ill-at-ease. But justice was well served, I thought. There is still a long way to go. I just wonder what the whole thing cost and what was that man shouting outside? Was he just selling newspapers?
Beanybun
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut:
“So on day one we've seen the Supreme Court in action - very good, the last bastion of our protection against the liars and spivs of our government. The Justices may all be old, but they are independent and experts in their field. From case law relating to the Royal Flying Corps to Freddy Laker's Skytrain legal precedent was explored relentlessly. Boring it might have been but the Justices were not to be stopped and Mrs May's poodle looked ill-at-ease. But justice was well served, I thought. There is still a long way to go. I just wonder what the whole thing cost and what was that man shouting outside? Was he just selling newspapers?”

Lol re the annoying **** yelling his head off.

Couldn't make out which side he supported though he sounded like a Brexiteer to me
luckylegs
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Beanybun:
“Overreaction, much?

But I shan't ignore you because I enjoy reading the opinions of others however strange nor shall I report you, because I've no interest in attempting to shut down rational debate.

Have a nice life.”

No you don't like debate.

If you do go and debate with other posters in this thread; you dont seem to have check out your responses in this thread.

You have no reason to report me don't start with the passive agressive matey boy it is very transparent.
Aftershow
05-12-2016
One of our great political minds speaks...

Quote:
“Iain Duncan Smith tells @BBCNews watching the Supreme Court today was "like watching paint dry"”

Certainly helps explains why he was such a disaster as Leader of the Opposition if that's his attitude to reasoned debate.
Beanybun
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by luckylegs:
“No you don't like debate.

If you do go and debate with other posters in this thread; you dont seem to have check out your responses.

You have no reason to report me.”

Look, I apologise if I offended you, that wasn't my intention (though I'm not entirely sure how or why, but hey...) and I can't see any reason for you to report me either. And there it is.

I prefer to keep firm but ultimately friendly debate open, luckylegs, but your choice.
LostFool
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aftershow:
“One of our great political minds speaks...

Certainly helps explains why he was such a disaster as Leader of the Opposition if that's his attitude to reasoned debate.”

Bit like listening to one of his speeches.
BanglaRoad
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aftershow:
“One of our great political minds speaks...



Certainly helps explains why he was such a disaster as Leader of the Opposition if that's his attitude to reasoned debate.”

Not the brightest is IDS.
What was he expecting to hear?
alan29
05-12-2016
Watched for 20 minutes or so.
Impressed with the detail on off and the judges' questions.
luckylegs
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“. Spot-on”

No not spot on.

Look back at your inane posts and consider your intellect which is about as much as an ant might consider
chloeb
05-12-2016
I quote

'This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide'

The govt clearly didn't intend the referendum to be advisory only, the excuse trotted out by the Remainers.
Dingbat
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by chloeb:
“I quote

'This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide'

The govt clearly didn't intend the referendum to be advisory only, the excuse trotted out by the Remainers.”

Even Farage has acknowledged that it was advisory.
alan29
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aftershow:
“Indeed. Those who want a full iron-clad Brexit should be glad that our highest court is ruling on this so that we have a definitive answer on it.”

Thats my feeling. Leave them with no get out of jail cards.
BrokenArrow
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by BanglaRoad:
“Because we live in a parliamentary democracy.
Brexit made a big deal about the UK parliament having sovereignty but now you seem to have problems with what you voted for.”

I only saw two questions on the ballot paper.

1- Remain in the EU
2- Leave the EU.

There was no "Let parliament decide" option.
Dingbat
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by BrokenArrow:
“I only saw two questions on the ballot paper.

1- Remain in the EU
2- Leave the EU.

There was no "Let parliament decide" option.”

Whereabouts in the case before the Supreme Court does it talk about remaining?
chloeb
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“One only had to look up the judges and see their links and their interests across the EU and/or with people who they had any affiliation with with regards to the EU to make a rational viewpoint that they would side with Gina Miller.”

Of course they will and along with their tendency (as I posted earlier) to inhabit an entirely different universe to jo public ....

However as I have already posted Brexit will proceed there will just be an extra vote by MPs. Who IF they vote with their constituencies, will ensure it proceeds.
zounds
05-12-2016
"A verbatim report has now been published. It consists of 180 pages, plus a comprehensive index."

Can't be bothered with that, come on Judges, where's the tl;dr?
BrokenArrow
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dingbat:
“Whereabouts in the case before the Supreme Court does it talk about remaining?”

The court case is about retrospectively adding the third option to the ballot paper.
chloeb
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by BrokenArrow:
“I only saw two questions on the ballot paper.

1- Remain in the EU
2- Leave the EU.

There was no "Let parliament decide" option.”

Along with


'This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide'

Seemed pretty straight forward to me
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