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To ensure there is no way in hell of winning this appeal so any delay can't be blamed on May.
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I am surprised that they are hearing the appeal at the Supreme Court when there are so many self-certificated experts on here.
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But there won't be a delay.
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Maybe you should stop only looking at the government's arguments (you would have been ill advised if you would have done that prior to the High Court ruling).
The RP can't be used to alter domestic law. Even the government admits that. |
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Oh look. A strawman.
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I find this comment hilarious
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I think debating with you is pointless; you're trying to argue the unarguable for no reason and you're missing at least three quarters of the picture.
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The Justices of the Supreme Court are not experts in law? How do you suggest that they reached their position then?
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Love how he had no answer to "if entering EU was a joint enterprise between executive and legislative, shouldn't leaving it be too?"
Oh and question regarding the Great Repeal Bill really caught him off guard
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Perhaps i have read this article incorrectly, but, it does say that EU law automatically becomes UK domestic law, without the approval/vote of Parliament.
http://www.instituteforgovernment.or...ommunities-act |
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Perhaps i have read this article incorrectly, but, it does say that EU law automatically becomes UK domestic law, without the approval/vote of Parliament.
http://www.instituteforgovernment.or...ommunities-act It ensures that some types of EU legislation – including treaty obligations and regulations – have direct effect in the UK’s legal system without the UK Parliament having to pass any further legislation. For example, safety standards on imported goods have been agreed at EU level and apply in every member country. It means that some types of EU legislation – including directives and decisions – can be made to apply in the UK either by primary legislation (Act of Parliament) or – much more commonly – by secondary legislation. An example here is the Working Time Directive which was implemented in the UK via the Working Time Regulations. |
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Haven't you got a book burning to attend?
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Well I might have believed it if I hadn't read the FM's different style of post a bit later on:
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Crikey can't they put all this stuff on a powerpoint or a tablet?
The rustling tomes are like something out of Dickens. |
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They were appointed to the Supreme court they are not any more expert than any other Judge however what they are being asked to do is critique other Judges, their colleagues, decision.
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Love how he had no answer to "if entering EU was a joint enterprise between executive and legislative, shouldn't leaving it be too?"
Oh and question regarding the Great Repeal Bill really caught him off guard ![]() |
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They were appointed to the Supreme court they are not any more expert than any other Judge however what they are being asked to do is critique other Judges, their colleagues, decision.
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Is he the best lawyer the government could get? Reading the live updates he seems to be making a less than impressive performance.
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The you didn't read it correctly. From your link:
It ensures that some types of EU legislation – including treaty obligations and regulations – have direct effect in the UK’s legal system without the UK Parliament having to pass any further legislation. For example, safety standards on imported goods have been agreed at EU level and apply in every member country. It means that some types of EU legislation – including directives and decisions – can be made to apply in the UK either by primary legislation (Act of Parliament) or – much more commonly – by secondary legislation. An example here is the Working Time Directive which was implemented in the UK via the Working Time Regulations. I might have misunderstood but effectively Parliament is involved in the EU directives process. They don't land in UK and automatically become law. |
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Is he the best lawyer the government could get? Reading the live updates he seems to be making a less than impressive performance.
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It means that some types of EU legislation – including directives and decisions – can be made to apply in the UK either by primary legislation (Act of Parliament) or – much more commonly – by secondary legislation. An example here is the Working Time Directive which was implemented in the UK via the Working Time Regulations.
For someone who claims to spend so much time in court you seem to have a complete lack of understanding of the wording. |
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Says who?
http://news.sky.com/story/labours-am...le-50-10681748 |
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As I understood it earlier having listened to a bit of it. Scrutiny of EU directives etc is done by a cross party committee of Parliament. If something is deemed appropriate it is sent to the Chamber for debate and primary legislation.
I might have misunderstood but effectively Parliament is involved in the EU directives process. They don't land in UK and automatically become law. The only exception being TREATY obligations which became binding on all member states at once and only affect trade etc. (hence there not being any conflict with our constitution as no domestic law is affected) - example being the the CE symbol having to be put on products. |
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Well Parliament has pretty much said if they get a vote on notification of A50 most will vote Aye obviously you've got your Mavericks and notwithstanding Corbyn's attempt at some clarity of being the opposition party.
http://news.sky.com/story/labours-am...le-50-10681748 |
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Well Parliament has pretty much said if they get a vote on notification of A50 most will vote Aye obviously you've got your Mavericks and notwithstanding Corbyn's attempt at some clarity of being the opposition party.
http://news.sky.com/story/labours-am...le-50-10681748 Very much a possibility and then you'd get a huge delay in the Lords even if the Commons just vote yes without amendments (which is becoming more unlikely by the day). |
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As I understood it earlier having listened to a bit of it. Scrutiny of EU directives etc is done by a cross party committee of Parliament. If something is deemed appropriate it is sent to the Chamber for debate and primary legislation.
I might have misunderstood but effectively Parliament is involved in the EU directives process. They don't land in UK and automatically become law. |
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The question to be asked is why is the government pursusing this? Government are game playing nobody else.
They could have had a simple 3 line bill about a month ago and it would have passed. |
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