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The Benefit System
It's a joke, right? People come into the country, and automatically they're able to make a bunch of claims, be that through housing, medical or otherwise. There's countless disabled people who also claim, in addition to all the slobs that are just too lazy to go out there and get a job, so instead get a benefit pay-out so they can waste money (and their lives) on cigarettes and booze!
I get that some people have illnesses or disabilities, but surely there is work (of some description) out there for everyone? When you've got people like Stephen Hawking's who can't do anything for himself, yet is one of the most recognised physicists of this age, and you've got people with no arms who have trained themselves to do daily activities with their mouth/feet - an inspiration to us all, surely? Why on earth is it deemed acceptable to fund those that don't, or haven't contributed? Why should a young mother, or immigrant be given a house to live? Why should an immigrant that hasn't paid towards the economy be entitled to any benefits or our medical system? Why should people be given money merely for being incapable of getting off their ass and doing something (however productive) with their lives? Someone explain this to me, cause I'm obviously missing some fundamental explanations for all of this. |
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Literally minus 50 out of 10.
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It's a joke, right? People come into the country, and automatically they're able to make a bunch of claims, be that through housing, medical or otherwise. There's countless disabled people who also claim, in addition to all the slobs that are just too lazy to go out there and get a job, so instead get a benefit pay-out so they can waste money (and their lives) on cigarettes and booze!
I get that some people have illnesses or disabilities, but surely there is work (of some description) out there for everyone? When you've got people like Stephen Hawking's who can't do anything for himself, yet is one of the most recognised physicists of this age, and you've got people with no arms who have trained themselves to do daily activities with their mouth/feet - an inspiration to us all, surely? Why on earth is it deemed acceptable to fund those that don't, or haven't contributed? Why should a young mother, or immigrant be given a house to live? Why should an immigrant that hasn't paid towards the economy be entitled to any benefits or our medical system? Why should people be given money merely for being incapable of getting off their ass and doing something (however productive) with their lives? Someone explain this to me, cause I'm obviously missing some fundamental explanations for all of this.
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The actual worst.
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To those who think it's easy to get benefits that have had no experience in it, should pack in their job and give it a try
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That you Roger?
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Literally minus 50 out of 10.
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I fear you're being too generous.
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The actual worst.
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To those who think it's easy to get benefits that have had no experience in it, should pack in their job and give it a try
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That you Roger?
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It's a joke, right? People come into the country, and automatically they're able to make a bunch of claims, be that through housing, medical or otherwise. There's countless disabled people who also claim, in addition to all the slobs that are just too lazy to go out there and get a job, so instead get a benefit pay-out so they can waste money (and their lives) on cigarettes and booze!
I get that some people have illnesses or disabilities, but surely there is work (of some description) out there for everyone? When you've got people like Stephen Hawking's who can't do anything for himself, yet is one of the most recognised physicists of this age, and you've got people with no arms who have trained themselves to do daily activities with their mouth/feet - an inspiration to us all, surely? Why on earth is it deemed acceptable to fund those that don't, or haven't contributed? Why should a young mother, or immigrant be given a house to live? Why should an immigrant that hasn't paid towards the economy be entitled to any benefits or our medical system? Why should people be given money merely for being incapable of getting off their ass and doing something (however productive) with their lives? Someone explain this to me, cause I'm obviously missing some fundamental explanations for all of this. Immigrants, for example, have a tougher criteria to prove their eligibility than British people. They need to prove their immigration status something British people don't have to do. Those from the EU have a number of routes open to them to exercise their treaty rights but chiefly they need to be working to be eligible - a criteria not applicable to British claiments. It's good that you understand that some people aren't capable of working because of illness and disability. The system is set up to identify those that can't work and those that can. For those who can work, support is provided to get them back to work. Your point on Hawking is odd. He's a unique person and an incredibly high standard to live up to. His achievements put the vast majority of able bodied people to shame. Young single mothers are given housing priority not for themselves but because they have children. In my view that priority gives children stability. I don't understand why anyone would object to the most vulnerable children to be given some stability particularly when it comes to housing. A country that lets it's children become homeless or discards it's disabled is not a country most of us would wish to live in. The benefits system is far from perfect and abused by many - but the principal of supporting those in need and providing a safety net is what makes this country great. |
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If it's truly the worst, then you've not been here very long. I know (at least) three women that have had children, two of which haven't worked a day in their life, all three of which are living in a (different) council home. I know of two people (immigrants) that have arrived here, speaking only broken English, that are sending money home to their families; one of said people arrived in the country following an invitation from a naïve girl on a chatroom, got her pregnant, married her (thus making him a british citizen?) and now has nothing to do with the mother/daughter. I know of two people who are claiming benefits that shouldn't be; they've both been reported, yet seemingly nothing has been done, or they know how to play the system. Roger isn't available right now. You say everyone who is disabled should work? Well. 1.5m people are already unemployed, so if they can't get jobs, what makes you think all the people on ESA will get one? Too many employers don't want to employ disabled people. I'm disabled and work, but I've had lots of rejections applying for jobs when I was made redundant a few years ago. I only was offered a part time job in a factory which employs disabled people. I get tax credits. Without them, It wouldn't have been worth taking the job. You mention Stephen Hawking. He gets people to help him, he doesn't do all the work himself. How many disabled people with the same disability will be in a postion to do that? You think it's fun being just on benefits? I can tell you that's it's not and I wouldn't want to be stuck on them. |
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"I know (at least) three women that have had children, two of which haven't worked a day in their life, all three of which are living in a (different) council home. I know of two people (immigrants) that have arrived here, speaking only broken English, that are sending money home to their families; one of said people arrived in the country following an invitation from a naïve girl on a chatroom, got her pregnant, married her (thus making him a british citizen?) and now has nothing to do with the mother/daughter. I know of two people who are claiming benefits that shouldn't be; they've both been reported, yet seemingly nothing has been done, or they know how to play the system."
Marriage to a British citizen does not guarantee automatic citizenship I agree that the benefit system has become too generous, and the "something for nothing" crowd will exploit it to the hilt I posted elsewhere about the man who lost the tip of his finger and is in a fight with the DWP who refused him disability benefits We should adopt the JFK philosophy - Ask not what your country can do for you but rather what you can do for your country |
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"I know (at least) three women that have had children, two of which haven't worked a day in their life, all three of which are living in a (different) council home. I know of two people (immigrants) that have arrived here, speaking only broken English, that are sending money home to their families; one of said people arrived in the country following an invitation from a naïve girl on a chatroom, got her pregnant, married her (thus making him a british citizen?) and now has nothing to do with the mother/daughter. I know of two people who are claiming benefits that shouldn't be; they've both been reported, yet seemingly nothing has been done, or they know how to play the system."
Marriage to a British citizen does not guarantee automatic citizenship I agree that the benefit system has become too generous, and the "something for nothing" crowd will exploit it to the hilt I posted elsewhere about the man who lost the tip of his finger and is in a fight with the DWP who refused him disability benefits We should adopt the JFK philosophy - Ask not what your country can do for you but rather what you can do for your country |
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Immigrants, for example, have a tougher criteria to prove their eligibility than British people. They need to prove their immigration status something British people don't have to do.
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Your point on Hawking is odd. He's a unique person and an incredibly high standard to live up to. His achievements put the vast majority of able bodied people to shame.
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Young single mothers are given housing priority not for themselves but because they have children. In my view that priority gives children stability.
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I don't understand why anyone would object to the most vulnerable children to be given some stability particularly when it comes to housing. A country that lets it's children become homeless or discards it's disabled is not a country most of us would wish to live in.
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You think it's fun being just on benefits? I can tell you that's it's not and I wouldn't want to be stuck on them.
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Well, the ability to read, write and speak English should be mandatory for starters.
He was a (bad) example. Young women, and men for that matter, should be better educated about sex, rather than bailing them out when they've opened their legs without a second thought! I'm not suggesting either of these. Well good for you, but some people have no drive, and get by on them because they don't aspire to anything more than a pint and pack of cigarettes. Some people on welfare only have cigarettes and a drink in their life's. I don't envy that lifestyle, |
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It's a joke, right? People come into the country, and automatically they're able to make a bunch of claims, be that through housing, medical or otherwise. There's countless disabled people who also claim, in addition to all the slobs that are just too lazy to go out there and get a job, so instead get a benefit pay-out so they can waste money (and their lives) on cigarettes and booze!
I get that some people have illnesses or disabilities, but surely there is work (of some description) out there for everyone? When you've got people like Stephen Hawking's who can't do anything for himself, yet is one of the most recognised physicists of this age, and you've got people with no arms who have trained themselves to do daily activities with their mouth/feet - an inspiration to us all, surely? Why on earth is it deemed acceptable to fund those that don't, or haven't contributed? Why should a young mother, or immigrant be given a house to live? Why should an immigrant that hasn't paid towards the economy be entitled to any benefits or our medical system? Why should people be given money merely for being incapable of getting off their ass and doing something (however productive) with their lives? Someone explain this to me, cause I'm obviously missing some fundamental explanations for all of this. |
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It's a joke, right? People come into the country, and automatically they're able to make a bunch of claims, be that through housing, medical or otherwise. There's countless disabled people who also claim, in addition to all the slobs that are just too lazy to go out there and get a job, so instead get a benefit pay-out so they can waste money (and their lives) on cigarettes and booze!
I get that some people have illnesses or disabilities, but surely there is work (of some description) out there for everyone? When you've got people like Stephen Hawking's who can't do anything for himself, yet is one of the most recognised physicists of this age, and you've got people with no arms who have trained themselves to do daily activities with their mouth/feet - an inspiration to us all, surely? Why on earth is it deemed acceptable to fund those that don't, or haven't contributed? Why should a young mother, or immigrant be given a house to live? Why should an immigrant that hasn't paid towards the economy be entitled to any benefits or our medical system? Why should people be given money merely for being incapable of getting off their ass and doing something (however productive) with their lives? Someone explain this to me, cause I'm obviously missing some fundamental explanations for all of this. |
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Well, the ability to read, write and speak English should be mandatory for starters.
I would suggest a language criteria would be unfair on a person who has claimed asylum. Perhaps it would be more fair on a person who's basing their claim on getting a job. Speaking English in the latter case is already a consideration. Quote:
Young women, and men for that matter, should be better educated about sex, rather than bailing them out when they've opened their legs without a second thought!
I wouldn't disagree with the broad sentiment. We have some the highest teenage pregnancy rates amongst developed countries and the worst sex education in schools. It's no coincidence that countries that invest in sex education in schools also have much lower rates if teenage pregnancy. Our right wing media will gladly whip up a storm of hate against benefit claimants but their moralising also objects to sex education in schools. I would also add many single parents aren't just young mothers. Many are widowed and others have become estranged from their former partners. |
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If it's truly the worst, then you've not been here very long. I know (at least) three women that have had children, two of which haven't worked a day in their life, all three of which are living in a (different) council home. I know of two people (immigrants) that have arrived here, speaking only broken English, that are sending money home to their families; one of said people arrived in the country following an invitation from a naïve girl on a chatroom, got her pregnant, married her (thus making him a british citizen?) and now has nothing to do with the mother/daughter. I know of two people who are claiming benefits that shouldn't be; they've both been reported, yet seemingly nothing has been done, or they know how to play the system. Roger isn't available right now. |
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Someone explain this to me, cause I'm obviously missing some fundamental explanations for all of this. Why don't you read up on the benefits system so you can get your facts straight, rather than relying on the Daily Mail for your information? |
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One day the OP might need the help of the welfare state.
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Well, the ability to read, write and speak English should be mandatory for starters.
He was a (bad) example. Young women, and men for that matter, should be better educated about sex, rather than bailing them out when they've opened their legs without a second thought! I'm not suggesting either of these. Well good for you, but some people have no drive, and get by on them because they don't aspire to anything more than a pint and pack of cigarettes. |
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So, let me get this straight... The disabled shouldn't be given benefits. The unemployed shouldn't get benefits. Nor families. Nor immigrants. People who can't speak fluent English shouldn't get a penny. Everybody, from the terminally ill to those with the mental age of a child should have to work, because after all, there's work out there for everyone!
That's what you're saying? Who should be allowed financial help, in your eyes? Do people only qualify when families are sleeping in the gutter, or should we just bring back the work house? |
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The constraints of the Digital Spy terms and conditions prevent me from telling the OP what he/she needs to be told.
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