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Old 05-12-2016, 22:09
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I never opted to differentiate between a single parent. I referenced young mothers, and maybe I wasn't specific enough before, but I am specifically on about those that are mothers because they couldn't keep their legs closed.

Whilst accidents can happen, people (couples) shouldn't be thinking of children that soon into a relationship. The number of women I know, or know of that have several children (some by different fathers) in pre school is worrying.
Bloody women, forcing men to have sex with them unprotected, those poor, weak-minded men
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:11
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You joined DS over 4 years ago and have made over 4,000 posts and this is the sh*t you've decided to start a thread about?! Why not just wallow in the countless bigoted threads that have already been established? Or better yet, just read the Daily Mail quietly to yourself.
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:19
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You still haven't answered my question - who do you think should be helped? You begrudge helping the sick, disabled, unemployed, single parents, refugees, non-english speakers... Basically I think you don't get anything out of the system and you're jealous of those who do. That's bad enough, but you also clearly know nothing about how the benefits system works. If you aren't a troll then you're a vile, ignorant excuse for a human being.
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:20
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You keep mentioning this person but supplied no links. Admit it, you've made it up just to fit it with your anti-welfare agenda.
Sadly I have lost my link and cannot find it on line
I am not "anti-welfare", I believe that those who genuinely are entitled should receive benefits. There is not a magic benefit tree, the funds are limited, and spurious claims reduce the amount available for the genuine
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:24
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Everybody is entitled to make a claim, you can't stop people from doing that no matter how vexatious.

You say it's been refused so I fail to see an issue.

It's a reflection of attitude, something for nothing
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:25
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Sadly I have lost my link and cannot find it on line
I am not "anti-welfare", I believe that those who genuinely are entitled should receive benefits. There is not a magic benefit tree, the funds are limited, and spurious claims reduce the amount available for the genuine
Well can you remember what benefit this person was claiming ?
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:26
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I am specifically on about those that are mothers because they couldn't keep their legs closed.
This is such a horrible term. "Couldn't keep their legs closed". Like there aren't two irresponsible people involved if precautions aren't taken against pregnancy.
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:33
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Sadly I have lost my link and cannot find it on line
I am not "anti-welfare", I believe that those who genuinely are entitled should receive benefits. There is not a magic benefit tree, the funds are limited, and spurious claims reduce the amount available for the genuine
It's a good thing that 'spurious' claims only amount to 0.7% of the total welfare budget, a large portion of which is pension fraud!

The amount of benefit that should be paid to people but which remains unpaid or unclaimed is £1.3bn!

Interesting article on benefit fraud vs. tax evasion - perhaps you're angry at the wrong people http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...n-9520562.html

"Just 0.7 per cent - or £1.2bn - of total benefit expenditure in 2012/13 was overpaid due to fraud. This compares with £5bn a year that the government loses through tax avoidance.

In other words, for every £1 swallowed up by benefit fraud, £4 disappears because of people like Gary Barlow. Get angry about people playing the system by all means, but start at the top and work your way down if you expect to be taken seriously."
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:36
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Well can you remember what benefit this person was claiming ?

The disability benefits
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:38
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It's a reflection of attitude, something for nothing
Yes, like food, clothing for your kids, a roof over your head when you've fallen on hard times.

A higher percentage of people claiming benefits to help them with these are in work (excluding the highest portion which is, of course, pensioners).

"So who are the people on benefits, really? The answer actually seems to be most of us. 64% of families, and about 30million individual people - half the total population of the UK. The attack on benefits has portrayed people claiming benefits as a kind of underclass, separating them from ordinary people in low paid jobs, ordinary people looking for work, ordinary families. But really, the people on benefits are our friends, colleagues and neighbours, our families, ourselves."

The people on benefits are women living in hostels with their children after fleeing violent partners, people looking for work, families working in low paid jobs and claiming income support to help feed their children, people who’ve just left prison and want to start a new life, people who have been made unemployed by the economic crisis or government cuts to public sector jobs, disabled people and their carers, and young people who have been made homeless, claiming benefits so they can stay in education." http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/anas...b_3060094.html
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:39
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It's a good thing that 'spurious' claims only amount to 0.7% of the total welfare budget, a large portion of which is pension fraud!

The amount of benefit that should be paid to people but which remains unpaid or unclaimed is £1.3bn!

Interesting article on benefit fraud vs. tax evasion - perhaps you're angry at the wrong people http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...n-9520562.html

"Just 0.7 per cent - or £1.2bn - of total benefit expenditure in 2012/13 was overpaid due to fraud. This compares with £5bn a year that the government loses through tax avoidance.

In other words, for every £1 swallowed up by benefit fraud, £4 disappears because of people like Gary Barlow. Get angry about people playing the system by all means, but start at the top and work your way down if you expect to be taken seriously."

Whether you take me "seriously" is your choice
I have equally strong views about tax evaders/avoiders and if you care to start a thread on that subject I will be delighted to contribute
This thread is about benefits
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:41
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Sadly I have lost my link and cannot find it on line
I am not "anti-welfare", I believe that those who genuinely are entitled should receive benefits. There is not a magic benefit tree, the funds are limited, and spurious claims reduce the amount available for the genuine
I'm not sure I see the problem with regard to the person you're talking about.

You said:
I posted elsewhere about the man who lost the tip of his finger and is in a fight with the DWP who refused him disability benefits
So he was refused disability benefits. He's therefore not receiving any. He can fight with them, go to a tribunal, etc. all he wants. They will decide but, from what you've said, he isn't actually receiving anything. Anybody call fill in the (40 page) claim form, attend the medical and try and claim.
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:42
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The disability benefits
Just saying disabilty benefits means nothing. As there is ESA, DLA, PIP.
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:45
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It's a reflection of attitude, something for nothing
Were does all this something for nothing fit in, are you saying people claiming disabilty benefits have not worked, are not working or what
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Old 05-12-2016, 22:47
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Were does all this something for nothing fit in, are you saying people claiming disabilty benefits have not worked, are not working or what
Exactly! Bloody workshy buggers.


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Old 05-12-2016, 23:25
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Sadly I have lost my link and cannot find it on line
It's strange there's nothing on google or any other search engine about this. Very strange.
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Old 05-12-2016, 23:25
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I'm not sure I see the problem with regard to the person you're talking about.

You said:


So he was refused disability benefits. He's therefore not receiving any. He can fight with them, go to a tribunal, etc. all he wants. They will decide but, from what you've said, he isn't actually receiving anything. Anybody call fill in the (40 page) claim form, attend the medical and try and claim.
Yeah, I'm not sure how someone being refused benefits for a thing is any indication of the benefits system being too lenient.

Of course, back in the 70s you could use that injury to invent heavy metal, but it's a bit late now because Tony Iommi already did it. Different world, innit?
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Old 06-12-2016, 00:06
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This is an unbelievably poor attempt at trolling. I've been on t'internet a long time, and I can't think of anything as obvious as this. Well done for that at least.
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Old 06-12-2016, 00:39
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It's a good thing that 'spurious' claims only amount to 0.7% of the total welfare budget, a large portion of which is pension fraud!

The amount of benefit that should be paid to people but which remains unpaid or unclaimed is £1.3bn!

Interesting article on benefit fraud vs. tax evasion - perhaps you're angry at the wrong people http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...n-9520562.html

"Just 0.7 per cent - or £1.2bn - of total benefit expenditure in 2012/13 was overpaid due to fraud. This compares with £5bn a year that the government loses through tax avoidance.

In other words, for every £1 swallowed up by benefit fraud, £4 disappears because of people like Gary Barlow. Get angry about people playing the system by all means, but start at the top and work your way down if you expect to be taken seriously."
Good post.
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Old 06-12-2016, 00:49
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This is an unbelievably poor attempt at trolling. I've been on t'internet a long time, and I can't think of anything as obvious as this. Well done for that at least.
you don`t remember "big andy"?
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Old 06-12-2016, 06:40
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you don`t remember "big andy"?
I remember him.

Please discuss.
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:22
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I remember him.

Please discuss.


claimed to have been in the army and said he was stationed at brampton.

which has always been a raf camp.
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:38
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It's a reflection of attitude, something for nothing
You've taken a leap with your assumption.

A person who's had been the tip of a finger cut of will likely be in some pain and will be unable to work for a period of time.

If they don't get sick pay how do you expect them to live without an income?
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:40
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You've taken a leap with your assumption.

A person who's had been the tip of a finger cut of will likely be in some pain and will be unable to work for a period of time.

If they don't get sick pay how do you expect them to live without an income?
They'll pick something up. (sorry - couldn't resist)
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:56
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The sad thing is for disabled people, is not the people themselves but others who work with them. I once worked with a guy who was nearly blind and had a leg missing from diabetes. He sat near me and I had to help him with his work. It's not something I minded but took me away from my work and delayed my progress, so I was worried I wouldn't meet my deadlines. I then also worked somewhere where somebody had ADHD. He would throw tantrums and scream "disability" when we were trying to get products out of the door but we all had to be patient.

Then there is the whole having to keep the entire workforce safe as not everybody with mental illness for example, will be welcomed. So the disabled person has to be accommodated but then the non-disabled workforce has to be catered for as well.

I worked in a downstairs office. A guy broke his leg. They refused to allow him back to work until his leg had healed because they said that in the event of a fire, his slow progress to the fire exit could hinder others. I kid you not. Even somebody with a broken leg was deemed a problem.
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