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MC_Satan
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by joshua321:
“I wasn't being personal. You have to realise I also have a lot of experience of the mental health professions, from the other side, and I just say what I see, and it's not just me either.

For example, currently my nephew is sectioned on a psychiatric ward and one of the nurses (I think she is Spanish or South American) has taken very much against me when I have come to visit him. She treats the place like her personal fiefdom and feels extremely threatened when I strike up conversations with patients that actually treat them like human beings rather than dangerous lunatics. I brought some clothes for him that he left at my house and she decided to go off on a tirade about how they were a 'weird' type of clothes (Indian-style white linen outfit) and that I was making him worse by bringing them, and how he had been calm before I had arrived.

The way she spoke to me as a visitor was quite frankly appalling - sheer ignorant pig-headedness that I've only seen rivalled by social workers. The fact that she is looking after extremely vulnerable people is terrifying - I intend to complain but not until he gets out because I am worried she might take it out on him otherwise.

So I am sorry you took it personally but I do not hold a high opinion of your profession or mental health workers in general, though I am sure there are a minority who are genuinely moved by a desire to help people, as misguided as the way they are going about it may be.”

I am sorry you have had negative experiences. I strongly resent your last sentence. I spend every day at work trying to help my patients, I volunteer at samaritans, I fundraise for SAMH, I am an advocate for my patients at tribunals and for you to call me 'misguided' IS a personal comment. I am sorry you have no respect for mental health workers but that's up to you, I wish you good health.
joshua321
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by MC_Satan:
“I am sorry you have had negative experiences. I strongly resent your last sentence. I spend every day at work trying to help my patients, I volunteer at samaritans, I fundraise for SAMH, I am an advocate for my patients at tribunals and for you to call me 'misguided' IS a personal comment. I am sorry you have no respect for mental health workers but that's up to you, I wish you good health.”

Please look at the sentence again. Does it say: 'You are misguided' or does it say something else? Are you personally the subject of the sentence?

'Misguided' refers to the many medications and therapies prescribed that as you said yourself, can make little to no difference to a person's health, and can often end up making them worse.

Many psychiatric medications have long term debilitating side effects, and many therapies from CBT to psychoanalysis are little more than quackery, with the continued excuse when they once again fail to bring about improvement that the patient wasn't 'engaging' or 'making the effort to help themselves'.
Billy_Value
06-12-2016
Look at it as a positive, unless you are trying for a baby it's all the pleasure with none of the mess.
joshua321
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by Billy_Value:
“Look at it as a positive, unless you are trying for a baby it's all the pleasure with none of the mess.”

If eventual ejaculation does occur, it is usually without an accompanying orgasm or at least greatly reduced in intensity.
MC_Satan
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by joshua321:
“Please look at the sentence again. Does it say: 'You are misguided' or does it say something else? Are you personally the subject of the sentence?

'Misguided' refers to the many medications and therapies prescribed that as you said yourself, can make little to no difference to a person's health, and can often end up making them worse.

Many psychiatric medications have long term debilitating side effects, and many therapies from CBT to psychoanalysis are little more than quackery, with the continued excuse when they once again fail to bring about improvement that the patient wasn't 'engaging' or 'making the effort to help themselves'.”

As a mental health worker, yes I am the subject of the sentence. The way I go about my work is 'misguided'.
What do you suggest then? I have seen patients get better, I have seen patients recover. It is unfortunate that you have not found this to be the case but to suggest that medication and talking therapies have no use is wrong. At times they don't work, rarely they make things worse. It would seem you resent the services and feel that nothing they offer can help you, so what would you like us to do? I
joshua321
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by MC_Satan:
“As a mental health worker, yes I am the subject of the sentence. The way I go about my work is 'misguided'.
What do you suggest then? I have seen patients get better, I have seen patients recover. It is unfortunate that you have not found this to be the case but to suggest that medication and talking therapies have no use is wrong. At times they don't work, rarely they make things worse. It would seem you resent the services and feel that nothing they offer can help you, so what would you like us to do? I”

You are not the subject - the only interaction I've had with you is on here. Perhaps you're a beacon in a sea of mediocrity, perhaps not. But someone who subscribes to the talking therapy / medication pattern as it is currently pushed by quacks and drug companies may very well be misguided.

In answer to your questions, I would like the mental health industry to treat its patients better, for workers to actually put themselves in the place of patients, and to stop excusing the ineffectiveness of lousy so-called therapies because no one has come up with something that actually works.
MC_Satan
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by joshua321:
“You are not the subject - the only interaction I've had with you is on here. Perhaps you're a beacon in a sea of mediocrity, perhaps not. But someone who subscribes to the talking therapy / medication pattern as it is currently pushed by quacks and drug companies may very well be misguided.

In answer to your questions, I would like the mental health industry to treat its patients better, for workers to actually put themselves in the place of patients, and to stop excusing the ineffectiveness of lousy so-called therapies because no one has come up with something that actually works.”

You described all MH workers, I am one. I think I might stop raising money for SAMH or volunteering for the Samaritans as I'm so misguided and I'm not helping.
So, you'd like us to say 'take this - it won't work, it's ineffecive'? Well, that would be a lie because I have seen them work.
You haven't given any solutions, just for MH workers to say nothing works. Perhaps they don't for you, they do for others.
Do you have any ideas to treat MH conditions?
Admittedly Personality disorders can be difficult to treat in any way but Psychoses and mood disorders etc certainly can be treated with the treatments you are so keen to disparage.
joshua321
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by MC_Satan:
“You described all MH workers, I am one. I think I might stop raising money for SAMH or volunteering for the Samaritans as I'm so misguided and I'm not helping.
So, you'd like us to say 'take this - it won't work, it's ineffecive'? Well, that would be a lie because I have seen them work.
You haven't given any solutions, just for MH workers to say nothing works. Perhaps they don't for you, they do for others.
Do you have any ideas to treat MH conditions?
Admittedly Personality disorders can be difficult to treat in any way but Psychoses and mood disorders etc certainly can be treated with the treatments you are so keen to disparage.”

Who you raise money for is not my concern - as I said, maybe you are helping sometimes, and I actually wrote: 'mIsguided as they MAY BE'.

How much long-term followup, years later, have you had with patients? In my experience the majoirity of people live with a mental health condition their whole life, which fluctuates in the suffering it causes, and the best they can hope for is to 'manage' it (read nod politely and try not to make a fuss, because self-pity is so boring and you clearly aren't making the effort). Do we tell people with broken legs to 'heal themselves'?

I don't have any ideas, in fact I think mental illness may be an inevitable thing for any reasonably sensitive person living in society as it set up, but it is not my job to come up with them, and not my inclination when I can't to pretend there is already a solution if only the patient wouldn't be so awkward.
max_garfield
06-12-2016
I love my orgasms and I probably should've stated that antidepressants wasn't what I was looking to go back on a few weeks ago.

Because I had a crap experience with Fluoxetine I really wanted to steer clear, this was more a doctor suggestion which I agreed to, but not cummin' is just awful!
Pumping Iron
06-12-2016
I found sertraline killed my sexdrive almost entirely.
Chihiro77
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by joshua321:
“Please look at the sentence again. Does it say: 'You are misguided' or does it say something else? Are you personally the subject of the sentence?

'Misguided' refers to the many medications and therapies prescribed that as you said yourself, can make little to no difference to a person's health, and can often end up making them worse.

Many psychiatric medications have long term debilitating side effects, and many therapies from CBT to psychoanalysis are little more than quackery, with the continued excuse when they once again fail to bring about improvement that the patient wasn't 'engaging' or 'making the effort to help themselves'.”

You've had a couple of, in your opinion, bad experiences and choose to tar all social workers and mental health nurses with the same brush. It's funny that you keep having these experiences and it's you that notices all these things going on. Very strange...
anne_666
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by max_garfield:
“I would love to know if others have experienced this, I believe it's a side effect though not actually written on the box/leaflet thingy.

I was on Fluoxetine this time last year until about March. it did absolutely nothing for me...couldn't sleep at night but could sleep all day, felt irritable, felt generally more depressed than ever and....couldn't ejaculate! Well i could, but it took HOURS. Most frustrating.

Anyway, after an abysmal year with my mental health (another long story) I was put on Citalopram two weeks ago. Now, I have to say I have no bad side effects except I couldn't sleep at night and surprise surprise....can't cum! So I've come off them as of yesterday, and today? CAN CUM. This is a miracle tbh

But the thing is, the citalopram was actually helping, I felt a bit better, but the lack of sleep and not cummin' is just a mean experience.”

They're still in your system, after only missing one dose it's unlikely to account for the change. If you're not doing so already, take it in the morning which lowers the chance of it affecting your sleep.. Two weeks isn't enough time to assess their suitability, it takes at least 4-6 weeks.
Chilli Dragon
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by Pumping Iron:
“I found sertraline killed my sexdrive almost entirely.”

Is this just a man thing then? I've been on Sertraline for years - it saved my life. I have pretty much zero side effects (apart from appetite reduction) and no negative effect at all on my sex drive but I often hear/read men complain it has effected them??
max_garfield
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“They're still in your system, after only missing one dose it's unlikely to account for the change. If you're not doing so already, take it in the morning which lowers the chance of it affecting your sleep.. Two weeks isn't enough time to assess their suitability, it takes at least 4-6 weeks.”

Well I ejaculated within 10 minutes, not 10 hours.
Logan Five
06-12-2016
I've been on Citalopram long term and I've noticed this too. However, I can still have sex 2/3 times a week and 'finish', which is OK for me and the girlfriend. My days of 2 or 3 times a night are long gone!

Would Viagra not help?!
chris1978
06-12-2016
I've been on fluoxetine for years. The psychiatrist said that delayed ejaculation is one of the classic side effects of this drug. I can't speak for the others but it is a known problem. My sex drive is lowered considerably while on antidepressants (although some of that could be me getting older), problem I have with them is that if I came off them I'd be so anxious and worried I wouldn't even think about sex any way so it's a vicious circle really.

I will say these drugs have helped me a lot in dealing with anxiety and that is worth a lot to me.

Good luck op finding which ones are right for you.
joshua321
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by Chihiro77:
“You've had a couple of, in your opinion, bad experiences and choose to tar all social workers and mental health nurses with the same brush. It's funny that you keep having these experiences and it's you that notices all these things going on. Very strange...”

That's right, blame the patient - after all they're crazy anyway so they probably don't know what's good or bad for them. If they were normal then they'd realise how good the therapies are and respond better...oh wait....

And who says it's just me noticing these things?
joshua321
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by Logan Five:
“I've been on Citalopram long term and I've noticed this too. However, I can still have sex 2/3 times a week and 'finish', which is OK for me and the girlfriend. My days of 2 or 3 times a night are long gone!

Would Viagra not help?!”

No: viagra is for when you can't get or maintain an erection - wouldn't help at all and might actually reduce sensation even more.
max_garfield
07-12-2016
I like to cum around 4 times per day and this just once malarkey wasn't doing me any favors at all. It took me AGES to "get there".

I was laying there feeling somewhat inhuman
joshua321
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by max_garfield:
“I like to cum around 4 times per day and this just once malarkey wasn't doing me any favors at all. It took me AGES to "get there".

I was laying there feeling somewhat inhuman”

While this is a known issue with anti-depressants I would also suggest you may have some kind of addiction/emotional dependence on masturbation if you need to do it four times a day.
Keyser_Soze1
07-12-2016
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Weetibix
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by ajman:
“If you can't live with it then you could ask to try Mirtazapine which doesn't have those effects. No problems with orgasming and you sleep really easily. It does make you feel like your body is made out of lead and your brain is full of wool though.”

I take Mirtazapine ( 45mg per day) and have done for around 12 months or more and have non of those side effects plus have no probs with cumming
Ænima
07-12-2016
Try Mirtazapine
Ben_Copland
07-12-2016
I have the same problem, so I just stopped taking them, **** that. Rather be miserable than impotent.
scottie2121
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by max_garfield:
“I like to cum around 4 times per day and this just once malarkey wasn't doing me any favors at all. It took me AGES to "get there".

I was laying there feeling somewhat inhuman”

Maybe you can now concentrate on your other 'health problem'.

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