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why cant everyone have ID cards. not everyone has a passport or wants one.
they are a good idea and will come sooner or later but the government should pay for them and not charge people to have them. If there was a charge, how much would you be willing to pay? |
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ID cards could play a important part in controlling crime and immigration here or in the EU.
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Do you really expect the government to spend billions on introducing ID cards and not charge people for them?
If there was a charge, how much would you be willing to pay? |
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Do you really expect the government to spend billions on introducing ID cards and not charge people for them?
If there was a charge, how much would you be willing to pay? The highest bid will come from a foreign company, maybe China, so we will have taken back full control in order to give it to China, or even an EU country. And they will have all our personal data. And when it all goes wrong there'll be no-one to take responsibility. Or they could just let everyone carry their passport around, and if it's foreign, have a stamp with date of entry on and latest leaving date if they've no housing/work permit. |
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ID cards could play a important part in controlling crime and immigration here or in the EU.
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The government could say they would pay for themselves by helping to control crime and immigration?
Have you also considered that really determined criminals or terrorists have no problem breaking the law so they would just use fake or stolen ID cards just as they already use dodgy passports. |
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How would an ID card help control crime and immigration? An ID card isn't going to stop someone attacking another person, breaking into their home or stealing from their employer. Someone moving here to work won't have an ID card until they get here.
Have you also considered that really determined criminals or terrorists have no problem breaking the law so they would just use fake or stolen ID cards just as they already use dodgy passports. |
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ID cards could play a important part in controlling crime and immigration here or in the EU.
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How would an ID card help control crime and immigration?
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ID cards would prevent misuse of leisure centres and supermarkets
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Begs the question - if we are paying for free access, why not simply stay a member? If the EU played it hard, they could demand more money than we pay already and we could either accept it or return to the good old days of tariffs, checks and restrictions. As you allude to, it's the same for both sides, but which side risks being the loser in all this?
No matter what people say, the UK coming out of the E.u is a large upset for the E.U. |
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ID cards could play a important part in controlling crime and immigration here or in the EU.
When Labour said about their I.D card and spent millions on it, it was said that it not have to be carried,, so could be left at home, so what was the point in that? |
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Really? So if you was going to go and rob a bank, would you carry an I.D card?
When Labour said about their I.D card and spent millions on it, it was said that it not have to be carried,, so could be left at home, so what was the point in that? and none of the people actually in charge of the thing bothered to say these weren't true because then when someone said 'it will not do all these things' they could deny pretty much all of it.See also "nobody said it would be a silver bullet" "nobody said it would be a panacaea" and all those opportunities to deny what nobody every said... Also, even with the most recent one, with all its ultra-security and despite official denials, you would indeed have been able to tell if someone had bought a fishing licence. |
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Really? So if you was going to go and rob a bank, would you carry an I.D card?
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I'd probably carry someone else's ID card and leave it at the scene. That person would then have the problem of proving that they didn't commit the crime.
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EU citizens working and living in the EU have always been required to have paperwork to prove who they are. The whole uncontrolled freedom of movement is a myth. UK citizens working and living in the EU have a similar requirement.
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and none of the people actually in charge of the thing bothered to say these weren't true because then when someone said 'it will not do all these things' they could deny pretty much all of it.