Len on BBC Breakfast Today

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Christopher D

06-12-2016

Originally Posted by kaycee:
“I don't remember Matt DA's salsa, but (and I can't believe I'm saying this!) to be fair to Anton, Alesha's cha was NOT that good. Her knees were bent nearly the whole time, which - next to being off time - is the absolute biggest NO NO in cha cha cha.”

Len gave it ten both times didn't he?

I'm sure your right but I still love that dance.

Christopher D

06-12-2016

Originally Posted by kaycee:
“Apparently it wasn't the fact that she left for a rival tv show that upset the Strictly bods, it was the way in which she did it. A lot goes on behind the scenes that we do not get to hear about.”

Yes she was rather sneaky about it and told nobody until she left. I thought it was disappointing given how much she owed Strictly but there you go in the past.

robbleona

06-12-2016

Originally Posted by sofakat;84807945[B:
“]Oh don't be silly! He's about as charismatic and an old facecloth abandoned on a sink.

He is NOT a presenter, he is not overly bright and he simply does not have the gravitas to do it.

His forays into TV presenting have been a utter disaster. Just because he's there does not mean he deserves the slot.[/B]Fresh blood please - and please not some po-faced ballroom 'expert' from an obscure off the map town. They are never interesting. And brains would be nice. And some wit? I know, I know - too much to hope for ”

but apart from that, anton's ok, right?

katmobile

06-12-2016

Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“Hey, it wasn't me who came up with the either/or alternative... ”

I know

katmobile

06-12-2016

It's a shame really if only she'd ever become a judge - marred a lot of memories of a fun and at least reasonably good contestant. The Peter Principal incarnate.

edy10

06-12-2016

I like Karen fine enough on ITT but I wouldn't want to see her replace LEN. I'm sorry but she would be grating as a judge 😤😤.

As for Anton, absolutely NOT 😒

Mystical123

06-12-2016

Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“Anton is not a qualified judge - being able to dance does not qualify one to judge the only one of the Strictly people with the experience to do it (and I personally don't want her to) is Karen Hardy - who is a world ranking judge already.

There are plenty of judges out there with the right mix of expertise and tv skills for it not to be necessary to go for someone 'in house' will be interesting to see who they do go for in the end”

BIB - that's not true, Ian was judging at the Internationals a couple of months ago.

Christopher D

06-12-2016

Originally Posted by katmobile:
“It's a shame really if only she'd ever become a judge - marred a lot of memories of a fun and at least reasonably good contestant. The Peter Principal incarnate.”

She has the second best average judges score ever, behind Natalie Gumede more then just reasonable I would have thought and that was Arlene on the panel.

Strictlyfan17

06-12-2016

There's a risk if Karen became a judge that she'd get up and try to demonstrate something!

emilytangfastic

06-12-2016

Originally Posted by Strictlyfan17:
“There's a risk if Karen became a judge that she'd get up and try to demonstrate something! ”

IvanIV

06-12-2016

Originally Posted by Strictlyfan17:
“There's a risk if Karen became a judge that she'd get up and try to demonstrate something! ”

Her gurning makes JR's face look dead. Craig would have a cow.

daziechain

06-12-2016

Originally Posted by edy10:
“I like Karen fine enough on ITT but I wouldn't want to see her replace LEN. I'm sorry but she would be grating as a judge 😤😤.

As for Anton, absolutely NOT 😒”

No to Anton and definitely no to Karen. She'd be so annoying ... I think the forum would implode 😂😂😂

Kitty_Martinez

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by daziechain:
“No to Anton and definitely no to Karen. She'd be so annoying ... I think the forum would implode 😂😂😂”

Well that sounds like fun so now I want it to happen. Karen for Head Judge please!

Ann_Dancer

07-12-2016

I don't want Anton as a judge, but the objections to him on grounds of capability are spurious in my view. I'm sure Anton is perfectly capable of critiquing a Latin dance. He doesn't have to be a good dancer to do that, just to understand the technique which he will have theoretically learnt. Just how other Latin focussed pros would react to that is another matter though.

VicsMum

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Strictlyfan17:
“There's a risk if Karen became a judge that she'd get up and try to demonstrate something! ”

I believe that is Bruno's role, isn't it?

fridgesoup

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“I don't want Anton as a judge, but the objections to him on grounds of capability are spurious in my view. I'm sure Anton is perfectly capable of critiquing a Latin dance. He doesn't have to be a good dancer to do that, just to understand the technique which he will have theoretically learnt. Just how other Latin focussed pros would react to that is another matter though.”

Perception is important though. Len is perceived to be a 'proper' judge and I think that's different from 'being capable'. Anton knows miles more about Latin technique than I ever will (not a high bar

), but he's made so much capital over the years dissing it that I wouldn't be able to take his comments without eye-rolling, irrespective of whether he was right or not.

Ann_Dancer

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“Perception is important though. Len is perceived to be a 'proper' judge and I think that's different from 'being capable'. Anton knows miles more about Latin technique than I ever will (not a high bar ), but he's made so much capital over the years dissing it that I wouldn't be able to take his comments without eye-rolling, irrespective of whether he was right or not.”

Yes, I totally agree. The issue is one of perception. You want a judge to have 100% enthusiasm and commitment to the dance style they are judging.

Mou Mou Land

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“You may as well include Craig and Bruno in that - they 're no more qualified than Darcey (you could argue less...). The only qualified judge, love him or hate him, is Len. To replace him with someone less qualified would leave the panel without any credibility at all. If we must have someone like Anton on the panel [*shudder*], then he should be there instead of one of the other three.”

Ms Hardy is a recognised world judge is she not?

Lies back and gets popcorn ready.

Mou Mou Land

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by VicsMum:
“I believe that is Bruno's role, isn't it? ”

Can you imagine the two of them with arms flailing as they describe a move?

sofakat

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by robbleona:
“but apart from that, anton's ok, right? ”

His ballroom dancing is impeccable. That can never be disputed - and the WI adore him!

What name??

07-12-2016

He's been on the show what seems like decades and hasn't even managed to work out what a salsa actually it much less the technique involved. He's not a qualified judge. He's biases will be questioned every year with him on the panel. And he's an annoying pillock.

sofakat

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Chihiro77:
“What an absolutely patronising and ridiculous post. You have no idea whether he is 'overly bright' or not, you don't know him. I wouldn't particularly want to see him as a judge but I'm not so self absorbed as to think the whole show should be geered around me and what I think is witty.”

And you have no idea who I am, so you will not actually know what my experience is, where I work or what I know - or how well placed I am to judge whether Anton could hack it or not.

You don't like someone's opinion? It's a forum not a tea party, so what do you expect?

It's better not to make any assumptions about other people who post here. You may be very wrong.

sofakat

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by What name??:
“He's been on the show what seems like decades and hasn't even managed to work out what a salsa actually it much less the technique involved. He's not a qualified judge. He's biases will be questioned every year with him on the panel. And he's an annoying pillock.”

*stands up and cheers* !

sofakat

07-12-2016

[quote=kaycee;84810969

Gary Edwards would tick all those boxes![/QUOTE]

I'll take your word for it. You do know your stuff

komentaightor

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Oh don't be silly! He's about as charismatic and an old facecloth abandoned on a sink.

He is NOT a presenter, he is not overly bright and he simply does not have the gravitas to do it.

His forays into TV presenting have been a utter disaster. Just because he's there does not mean he deserves the slot.

Fresh blood please - and please not some po-faced ballroom 'expert' from an obscure off the map town. They are never interesting. And brains would be nice. And some wit? I know, I know - too much to hope for ”

Miaou to you too! I wonder if the BBC would have done anything so blindingly obvious as to ask the opinions of the Pro dancers.
And as for the other blindingly obvious solution - just three judges?

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