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Old 06-12-2016, 10:53
Miasima Goria
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Ooh er

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

EU27 priorities:

1) EU unity
2) inferior deal to membership
3) no negotiations before A50
4) 4 freedoms are indivisible
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Old 06-12-2016, 10:55
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Ooh er

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

EU27 priorities:

1) EU unity
2) inferior deal to membership
3) no negotiations before A50
4) 4 freedoms are indivisible
No single market without 4 freedoms. Question about Ireland common travel area and external borders (and Barnier is an expert on this as he was heavily involved in the Good Friday Agreement).
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Old 06-12-2016, 10:57
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Ooh er

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

EU27 priorities:

1) EU unity
2) inferior deal to membership
3) no negotiations before A50
4) 4 freedoms are indivisible
EU unity?, Don't make me laugh!
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Old 06-12-2016, 10:58
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No single market without 4 freedoms. Question about Ireland common travel area and external borders (and Barnier is an expert on this as he was heavily involved in the Good Friday Agreement).
Hard border in Ireland hasn't been ruled out. :-o
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:00
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Legally new agreement can't be negotiated and finalised until the UK has left. New deal has to be made with UK as a third country.

Again... most people with an understanding of law have been saying this for months. But no, of course they were talking out of their backsides.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:00
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EU unity?, Don't make me laugh!
yep, made me laugh as well. the very same unified EU that has had some countries building physical borders, to prevent movement of people, which is one of the 4 'freedoms'.

you couldn't make it up.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:01
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Transitional agreement and paying a fee for single market access only possible as a path to new relationship. Can't be decided until the UK has left.

Access to single market would be modelled on existing models. The special status countries (Norway etc.) would have a say.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:02
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EU unity?, Don't make me laugh!
yep, made me laugh as well. the very same unified EU that has had some countries building physical borders, to prevent movement of people, which is one of the 4 'freedoms'.

you couldn't make it up.
Clearly more unity than what we are displaying currently.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:02
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I wish I had a quid for every time I've heard this.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:05
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I wish I had a quid for every time I've heard this.
You don't quite get it do you?

This was the first official statement from either side as to how things will work after A 50 being triggered. It was officially laying on the table the EU's cards.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:05
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Interesting isn't it EU are able to communicate their stance. All done by October 2018 to allow time for it to go through European and UK Parliaments.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:09
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yep, made me laugh as well. the very same unified EU that has had some countries building physical borders, to prevent movement of people, which is one of the 4 'freedoms'.

you couldn't make it up.
Free movement of EU citizens hasn't been prevented. Still exists throughout the EU.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:11
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Interesting isn't it EU are able to communicate their stance. All done by October 2018 to allow time for it to go through European and UK Parliaments.
According to various papers this morning, the EU, Commission and the 27 countries have been ready for some time. The UK has been trying to pick off the 'weaker' countries like Ireland and Poland, but so far with no success.

More from the press conference:

Q: Article 50 negotiations are one thing. The new relationship is something different. Will you negotiate them in parallel, or in sequence?

Barnier says the EU needs to hear what the UK wants. Then the EU 27 will react.

He says a future agreement on a future relationship may be of a different nature. It could be signed with a third country.

So these things cannot necessarily be done at the same time.

He says you cannot do everything in 15 to 18 months of negotiations.

We will have to do everything in the right order, he says.

Barnier suggests EU will not be able to negotiate final trade deal with UK before it leaves.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:12
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You don't quite get it do you?

This was the first official statement from either side as to how things will work after A 50 being triggered. It was officially laying on the table the EU's cards.
You really should re-read what I posted.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:13
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You really should re-read what I posted.
How about you explain what you refer to by 'it"?
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:20
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How about you explain what you refer to by 'it"?
My post is only 12 words long and is I would have thought farrily easy to comprehend and the word 'it' doesn't appear in the post.

I wish I had a quid for every time I've heard this.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:22
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My post is only 12 words long and is I would have thought farrily easy to comprehend and the word 'it' doesn't appear in the post.
Ah damn you got me there. Mixing up you saying "this" with you saying "it" - so how about you define "this"? What is that you have heard?
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:27
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I wish I had a quid for every time I've heard this.
Surely that is a compliment for the EU. They have been entirely consistant in their position from the start. Its the UK flip flopping about like a load of retarded fish frogs.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:35
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Surely that is a compliment for the EU. They have been entirely consistant in their position from the start. Its the UK flip flopping about like a load of retarded fish frogs.
Hammond and May are channeling Alice in Wonderland at the moment and believing at least six impossible things before Brexit -er breakfast.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:40
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Free movement of EU citizens hasn't been prevented. Still exists throughout the EU.
Don't confuse a sad Brexiter, who just hates immigrants, whether EU or non-EU and then votes for a party wanting more non-EU.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:42
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So what's French for 'thrice' anyway? And more importantly, would the translation be compatible with horse-related puns? This is what's really important, everything else is just bickering between people pretending they care about the voters - or 'voteurs' as may be the case.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:43
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Most interesting aspect was that Barnier said the European Council would lay out the guidelines on EU position once Art 50 triggered, yet May refuses to say anything and does not want Parliament involved in setting some of ours out.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:44
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Most interesting aspect was that Barnier said the European Council would lay out the guidelines on EU position once Art 50 triggered, yet May refuses to say anything and does not want Parliament involved in setting some of ours out.
So in fact they are taking the exact same position as each other. Neither saying anything until A50, and neither at this point involving their respective parliaments.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:47
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Most interesting aspect was that Barnier said the European Council would lay out the guidelines on EU position once Art 50 triggered, yet May refuses to say anything and does not want Parliament involved in setting some of ours out.
The government hasn't triggered article 50 so its position appears to be the same as the EU's.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:49
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Surely that is a compliment for the EU. They have been entirely consistant in their position from the start. Its the UK flip flopping about like a load of retarded fish frogs.
As a passionate Brexiteer, I find myself agreeing with you, and shock horror, agreeing with the EU, at least they are trying to be consistent in what they are saying, I can see it, sadly Mrs May et al, seemingly do not. At this rate, I can see us being forced out, the whole handling of Brexit has been a total shambles.

It matters not that Mrs May says she is trying to get us the 'best deal', we have been told, no cherry picking, Four Freedoms are not up for negotiation, so Mrs May has to decide based on that does she not?
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