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Old 06-12-2016, 11:53
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Hang on, so the chief negotiator has said there will be no negotiation until A50, but is happy to stand up and lay out the negotiation starting-point, and declare that there can be no negotiation, is that about right? How much is he paid? I'll do that for half the price, where do I sign up?
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:55
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No deal is better for us than their poxy deal.

Do people really think the likes of Germany will stop dealing with us?
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:55
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It's hard Brexit or no Brexit as the EU will not compromise. They don't know how to.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:56
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It's hard Brexit or no Brexit as the EU will not compromise. They don't know how to.
That's what Brexiteers have been saying for months and why most people who voted understood that.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:58
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It's hard Brexit or no Brexit as the EU will not compromise. They don't know how to.
Damn I really went wrong when I cancelled the membership at Bannatynes! I should have told them they need me using their gym equipment more than my money and should bloody compromise.
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Old 06-12-2016, 12:09
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Hang on, so the chief negotiator has said there will be no negotiation until A50, but is happy to stand up and lay out the negotiation starting-point, and declare that there can be no negotiation, is that about right? How much is he paid? I'll do that for half the price, where do I sign up?
That isn't the negotiation starting-point, it's the negotiation starting, middle and end-point - in other words, those are the unshakeable conditions around which Britain is going to have to decide what it wants and what it's prepared to sacrifice.

The EU is just setting out the things which are non-negotiable, which have been consistent ever since the referendum.
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Old 06-12-2016, 12:15
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It's hard Brexit or no Brexit as the EU will not compromise. They don't know how to.
Not at all, you just can't have your cake and eat it, the UK can't have benefits without the commitments.
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Old 06-12-2016, 12:18
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That isn't the negotiation starting-point, it's the negotiation starting, middle and end-point - in other words, those are the unshakeable conditions around which Britain is going to have to decide what it wants and what it's prepared to sacrifice.

The EU is just setting out the things which are non-negotiable, which have been consistent ever since the referendum.
Correct - these are the EU's red lines. Clearly May has not even an idea yet what the UK's red lines are.
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Old 06-12-2016, 12:28
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I really don't think it will be up to the UK as to what Brexit terms it gets. The Eurocrats have made it clear that you either accept all the EU has to offer (ie. stay in) or you leave and do your own thing. I don't imagine that will take long to negotiate! Unless of course the Eurocrats are lying!!
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Old 06-12-2016, 12:32
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Damn I really went wrong when I cancelled the membership at Bannatynes! I should have told them they need me using their gym equipment more than my money and should bloody compromise.
I don't expect them to. If the other nations wish to be members subject to the rules that's up to them.

Why should they compromise and why should we - they could have offered more concessions to Cameron but didn't. So why would they now?

We voted to leave the club and will shortly give our up to two years notice. In due course the direct debits will end and if we want to access bits of the facility we will need to buy an occasional guest pass.
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Old 06-12-2016, 12:34
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That isn't the negotiation starting-point,
I think you'll find that it is.

it's the negotiation starting,
See, you even said so.
... middle and end-point - in other words, those are the unshakeable conditions around which Britain is going to have to decide what it wants and what it's prepared to sacrifice.

The EU is just setting out the things which are non-negotiable, which have been consistent ever since the referendum.
So that's actually zero negotiation, how much is this moron paid, and what does that say about the morons paying for him to say it, and the morons who think he's being clever?

Until A50, nothing any of these people (including ours) have to say actually means anything.
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Old 06-12-2016, 12:35
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I don't expect them to.

Why should they compromise and why should we - they could have offered more concessions to Cameron but refused to.

We voted to leave the club and will shortly give our up to two years notice. In due course the direct debits will end and if we want to access bits of the facility we will need to buy an occasionally guest pass.
To be replaced by a continuous payment authority. Personally, I prefer direct debits, they can be cancelled more easily!
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:59
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To be replaced by a continuous payment authority. Personally, I prefer direct debits, they can be cancelled more easily!
Except that the UK will likely only pay into the EU for "free" access to the Single Market. However, if the EU are suggesting that the UK also needs to accept Free Movement in addition to paying in then I strongly suspect that they'll be no deal and therefore no payments.

In my opinion, there will be no deal and the UK will be leaving the EU fully. The EU will insist on free movement as part of any deal and the UK will not accept it so there's no common ground. All this does is push the UK towards a full Brexit. And y'know, even as a Remain voter I'm kind of okay with that.
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Old 06-12-2016, 14:03
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As a passionate Brexiteer, I find myself agreeing with you, and shock horror, agreeing with the EU, at least they are trying to be consistent in what they are saying, I can see it, sadly Mrs May et al, seemingly do not. At this rate, I can see us being forced out, the whole handling of Brexit has been a total shambles.

It matters not that Mrs May says she is trying to get us the 'best deal', we have been told, no cherry picking, Four Freedoms are not up for negotiation, so Mrs May has to decide based on that does she not?
I am not a Brexiter, but have to say you are right and your comment sensible.
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:16
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You don't quite get it do you?

This was the first official statement from either side as to how things will work after A 50 being triggered. It was officially laying on the table the EU's cards.
I just laughed out loud at that.
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:18
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I just laughed out loud at that.
Then I'm sure you'd be happy to share the joke you've found contained within my statement with us
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:07
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Not at all, you just can't have your cake and eat it, the UK can't have benefits without the commitments.
Then we will be leaving on WTO terms - which will not be in the EU's best interests, plus we won't be subsidising the rest of the EU.
If it's a clean Brexit then so be it.

A big thank you to the EU for setting out their no-negotiation position because it means we won't need to read endless threads about soft brexit, freedom of movement, paying part-contributions, etc. We will be clean away, standing on our own feet, whilst the EU slowly implodes (but strictly stands by its freedoms).
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:11
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This isn't a game.

People were duped. "There won't be tariffs - we buy too many BMWs" etc, etc. There is not a shred of doubt that if people knew the full implications of this then the result would have been very different.

Presently we have a PM who seems to think the nation is happy to give her free reign to push the button on the ridiculous promise that we'll get a "red white and blue Brexit". She insults our intelligence. So what happens when we find ourselves facing a totally hard Brexit, or accepting FOM to save the economy?

It would be an outrage if she agreed to the former based on the referendum result, and there would be uproar. The EU has laid out it's principle position, yet Tessie refuses to show an ankle. It is absolutely disgraceful. Parliament must have her over the coals on this.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:12
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Then we will be leaving on WTO terms - which will not be in the EU's best interests, plus we won't be subsidising the rest of the EU.
If it's a clean Brexit then so be it.

A big thank you to the EU for setting out their no-negotiation position because it means we won't need to read endless threads about soft brexit, freedom of movement, paying part-contributions, etc. We will be clean away, standing on our own feet, whilst the EU slowly implodes (but strictly stands by its freedoms).
Dream away, dream away. Maybe you should be hibernating by now.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:12
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It's just the EU's starting position. No access without FOM. Ours is full access without FoM.

The result will be somewhere I the middle. Probably paid access for passporting and CETA style trade,with VISA free travel Inc 6 months work visa.

It means everyone will be happy.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:36
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It's just the EU's starting position. No access without FOM. Ours is full access without FoM.

The result will be somewhere I the middle. Probably paid access for passporting and CETA style trade,with VISA free travel Inc 6 months work visa.

It means everyone will be happy.
There will be no middle on FoM. Davis, Johnson et al are out of their league with these EU types. The UK is going to be rushed out the door with a bad deal.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:44
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Dream away, dream away. Maybe you should be hibernating by now.
Maybe you should be out of the UK - weren't you planning to leave?
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:48
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It's just the EU's starting position. No access without FOM. Ours is full access without FoM.

The result will be somewhere I the middle. Probably paid access for passporting and CETA style trade,with VISA free travel Inc 6 months work visa.

It means everyone will be happy.
There will be winners and losers, so some won't be happy but others will be delighted.
Even if the EU kick us out lock stock and barrel, tell me what they would have to be pleased about. All they would cling on to is their protectionist outfit that is slowly sinking under the weight of immigration from regions that are happy to ship their surplus citizens to the more affluent countries.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:58
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Maybe you should be out of the UK - weren't you planning to leave?
No, I've decided to find a nice cosy crevice which I've filled with moss and barricaded with twigs to settle down into whilst this car crash lumbers on.
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Old 06-12-2016, 17:01
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No, I've decided to find a nice cosy crevice which I've filled with moss and barricaded with twigs to settle down into whilst this car crash lumbers on.
Well, you know which side your bread's buttered.
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