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Old 06-12-2016, 18:16
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I thought the period for concluding negotiations was 2 years? That's what I kept reading in the papers. Now out of the blue we have 18 months?
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Old 06-12-2016, 18:38
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I thought the period for concluding negotiations was 2 years? That's what I kept reading in the papers. Now out of the blue we have 18 months?
The EU just want to get the whole Brexit nonsense done and over as soon as possible. People really think too highly of the UK with the whole 'Germany needs the UK to sell them their VWs and Audis' soundbites and other rubbish like that - yeah, because Germany (and any other EU country) will have no-one else to trade with? Dream on. If so then they wouldn't be pushing the UK to hurry up and get on with it. The EU were always going to be the ones in the driver's seat determining the terms for the UK, not the other way around.
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Old 06-12-2016, 18:42
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I thought the period for concluding negotiations was 2 years? That's what I kept reading in the papers. Now out of the blue we have 18 months?
That's a maximum without an extension. Nothing to say it can't be done sooner if the civil servants get their fingers out.
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:05
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Then we will be leaving on WTO terms - which will not be in the EU's best interests, plus we won't be subsidising the rest of the EU.
If it's a clean Brexit then so be it.

A big thank you to the EU for setting out their no-negotiation position because it means we won't need to read endless threads about soft brexit, freedom of movement, paying part-contributions, etc. We will be clean away, standing on our own feet, whilst the EU slowly implodes (but strictly stands by its freedoms).
It's not a no negotiation position, we can negotiate any number of options. But we have to make commitments for every benefit we want, that's all the EU are saying, we can't have our cake and eat it.
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:06
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Ooh er

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

EU27 priorities:

1) EU unity
2) inferior deal to membership
3) no negotiations before A50
4) 4 freedoms are indivisible
To ensure unity Juncker and a number of governments ministers have ruled out referendums on EU membership in case the people vote to leave. Seems the EU is no longer a voluntary union
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:35
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To ensure unity Juncker and a number of governments ministers have ruled out referendums on EU membership in case the people vote to leave. Seems the EU is no longer a voluntary union
No they haven't. It is a matter for each member state whether or not they hold referenda.
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:39
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I thought the period for concluding negotiations was 2 years? That's what I kept reading in the papers. Now out of the blue we have 18 months?
That's to allow six months for any exit deal to be ratified by each and every member state and to allow for legal challenges to it in them. If it isn't ratified on time, the deal would be a bit moot.
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:50
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I thought the period for concluding negotiations was 2 years? That's what I kept reading in the papers. Now out of the blue we have 18 months?
I believe the idea is that it should take a maximum of two years but Barnier is saying he would like to see it concluded within 18 months : he hasn't unilaterally changed the rules or something, he's merely giving his opinion as the EU's chief Brexit negotiator.
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Old 06-12-2016, 23:57
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The exit negotiations are going to be about house-keeping (what to do with civil servants, MEPs, who gets custody of the staplers etc) and not about trade. That should only take 18 months, surely.
Trade talks begin once we are out.
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Old 07-12-2016, 03:52
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The exit negotiations are going to be about house-keeping (what to do with civil servants, MEPs, who gets custody of the staplers etc) and not about trade. That should only take 18 months, surely.
Trade talks begin once we are out.
There's more than staplers involved. After the UK reignited the disgreements around Lough Foyle and Carlingfor Lough with RoI the other week, there was no actual need to discuss where the land border between the EU and UK would be. The main dispute will be around who owns the fishing rights to both areas. The Irish Govt was rather pissed off to find out about this via aa question in Parliament after being assured the current arrangements would remains in place.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-35223877.html

It won't scupper Brexit, it is possible but unlikely it will delay it. But it would probably have been ignored if the UK hadn't brought it up.
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Old 07-12-2016, 08:03
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The A50 negotiations only cover leaving the EU and dealing with anything related.

How much money do we owe the EU; how are fishing rights split up; what happens to EU citizens in the UK and vice versa among hundreds of other things.

The aim of those negotiations is to remove the UK from the EU and give it third country status.

The negotiations for this should be complete in 18 months to allow 6 months for ratification by the EU27 and the UK.

After that negotiations for a new relationship start which might well take decades.

As Barnier alluded to - there is the possibility to agree on an interim status for the UK during A50 negotiations which is based on the A50 premise that exit talks should take into consideration the future relationship. So during the A50 negotiations the EU and the UK could decide that the UK will have EEA status for up to X years rather than dropping out with nothing place.
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Old 07-12-2016, 11:21
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Ooh er

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

EU27 priorities:

1) EU unity
2) inferior deal to membership
3) no negotiations before A50
4) 4 freedoms are indivisible

Considering nobody is supposed to be negotiating until A50 is triggered there's an awful lot of grandstanding going on from our EU "partners".
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Old 07-12-2016, 11:24
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No they haven't. It is a matter for each member state whether or not they hold referenda.
Or whether they stay in the EU with or without referenda.
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Old 07-12-2016, 11:33
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Considering nobody is supposed to be negotiating until A50 is triggered there's an awful lot of grandstanding going on from our EU "partners".
The EU has said they won't negotiate with Britain before Article 50 is triggered, that doesn't stop them talking among themselves and setting out an agreed position.
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Old 07-12-2016, 11:33
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Or whether they stay in the EU with or without referenda.
Yes, that's absolutely right.

Equally, most (if not all) member states - including us - do not require a referendum to decide to leave, a parliamentary vote would be sufficent in most (if not all) cases.
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Old 07-12-2016, 11:37
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Considering nobody is supposed to be negotiating until A50 is triggered there's an awful lot of grandstanding going on from our EU "partners".
It is hardly grandstanding and is no doubt being stated because our government continues to give the impression that it is utterly confused, and possibly delusional, about what it wants and what can realistically be achieved.
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