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Old 06-12-2016, 13:04
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Is there a German election soon?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7458536.html

Hasn't she had a decade in office to do this?
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:07
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Is there a German election soon?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7458536.html

Hasn't she had a decade in office to do this?
When I saw the thread title, I though one word, electioneering.
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:07
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Is there a German election soon?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7458536.html

Hasn't she had a decade in office to do this?
Angela Merkel has called for a burqa ban in Germany and said the refugee crisis “must never be repeated” while making her pitch for a fourth term as Chancellor.


Never be repeated by whom?
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:08
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I won't hold my breath for it to happen over here any time soon.
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:13
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I must be the only person who's ever gone into a petrol station and been asked to cover my face up.....
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:13
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Is there a German election soon?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7458536.html

Hasn't she had a decade in office to do this?
From link -

" He said the law would apply in “places where it is necessary for our society's coexistence” including government offices, schools and universities, courtrooms as well as demonstrations."

" Dutch MPs voted for a similar prohibition in the Netherlands last month, covering public transport, education, healthcare and government buildings and punishing any infractions with fines."

" Support for bans on full-face veils has been growing across Europe since France became the first country to implement such a law in 2011, followed by France, Belgium, Bulgaria and parts of Switzerland."

Trump could well do something like this in America, what about the UK?
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:18
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Merkel should be in the political equivalent of a burqa for her role in the migrant crisis.
I hope they are eventually banned here on 2 grounds
1. The burqa provides tacit support for a "cultural" way of restricting women from full British life
2. As someone with partial hearing (why I work from home) face veils drive me - and others who use lipreading to support their hearing - mad when worn by shop assistants, bank workers, health staff and the like.
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:20
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Certainly should be done in the UK, should have been done years ago.

As for Merkel she knows that her "refugee" policy is not a vote winner and is trying to look tough in time for the election.

The Germans, being generally pretty much supine, will no doubt vote for her again.
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:22
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I hope we don't go down this route. It's one thing to allow institutions to decide on acceptable dress code, as occured in court of law recently, it's another for the state to legislate more widely what people can and can't wear. Clearly it's electioneering. It's the sort of shoddy electioneering that panders to certain prejudices in our population.

I think if we copy the French and Dutch in this we will have thrown away something that is very precious. That Anglo Saxon attitude that it's no one else's bloody business what someone chooses to wear.
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:35
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I hope we don't go down this route. It's one thing to allow institutions to decide on acceptable dress code, as occured in court of law recently, it's another for the state to legislate more widely what people can and can't wear. Clearly it's electioneering. It's the sort of shoddy electioneering that panders to certain prejudices in our population.

I think if we copy the French and Dutch in this we will have thrown away something that is very precious. That Anglo Saxon attitude that it's no one else's bloody business what someone chooses to wear.
Perhaps the challenge is to know whether this really is a personal choice or is enforced by her family or husband.

Is promoting medieval dress which results in women entirely covering their face and body really something to celebrate - it just promotes separation and division. The Hijab or head scarf is perfectly sufficient to achieve modesty and seems perfectly acceptable to the vast majority of Muslim women.

The burqa is Saudi imposed dress - you never see women in Muslim nations like Malaysia wearing it.
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:44
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Merkel should be in the political equivalent of a burqa for her role in the migrant crisis.
I hope they are eventually banned here on 2 grounds
1. The burqa provides tacit support for a "cultural" way of restricting women from full British life
2. As someone with partial hearing (why I work from home) face veils drive me - and others who use lipreading to support their hearing - mad when worn by shop assistants, bank workers, health staff and the like.
That's interesting - I live in a high Asian population area, and though I see a lot of Asian women in various workplaces, I've never seen one in a burqa.

I do see them out shopping etc in the burqa. Are they the same women who wear westernised clothes at work, and wear the burqa in their spare time, or do the burqa-wearing ones not work?

I hope we don't go down this route. It's one thing to allow institutions to decide on acceptable dress code, as occured in court of law recently, it's another for the state to legislate more widely what people can and can't wear. Clearly it's electioneering. It's the sort of shoddy electioneering that panders to certain prejudices in our population.

I think if we copy the French and Dutch in this we will have thrown away something that is very precious. That Anglo Saxon attitude that it's no one else's bloody business what someone chooses to wear.
I agree.
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Old 06-12-2016, 14:49
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That's interesting - I live in a high Asian population area, and though I see a lot of Asian women in various workplaces, I've never seen one in a burqa.

I do see them out shopping etc in the burqa. Are they the same women who wear westernised clothes at work, and wear the burqa in their spare time, or do the burqa-wearing ones not work?



I agree.
No I've not seen them working in full burqas, but with veils across their mouths so you can't see their lips moving.
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Old 06-12-2016, 14:51
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Fantastic news if true.

Big IF though. I doubt she would actually go ahead with it.
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Old 06-12-2016, 14:51
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When I saw the thread title, I though one word, electioneering.
Yep band on the run..

But LOL anyway at Merkel.

I don't have strong views either way on it other than the concern that some women are forced to wear it and quite frankly this country has freedom of choice but I would expect that those women who are forced to wear it are also being abused in other ways too.
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Old 06-12-2016, 14:57
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I'd agree the full veil is not appropriate anywhere but banning it isn't solving the problem - unless the problem is low poll figures.

Banning something because you don't like it rather than because it causes harm is the sort of thing shitty little regimes come up with not democracies.
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Old 06-12-2016, 14:58
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No I've not seen them working in full burqas, but with veils across their mouths so you can't see their lips moving.
No, I've never seen that.

Most workplaces have uniforms of various sorts, and I suspect Asian women have to wear that if they want the job - I never heard of anyone getting let off on religious grounds.

Of course the ubiquitous headscarf is allowed, as it doesn't interfere with efficient functioning.

The trouble with seeing the burqa as an instrument of oppression is that there's no way of telling if a woman is in fact being oppressed, or if she freely chooses to obey the dictates of her religion.

It's really an internal matter for Muslim women. I don't think it's a matter for banning. After all, they can always take it off if they have a change of heart.
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:01
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Banning something because you don't like it rather than because it causes harm is the sort of thing shitty little regimes come up with not democracies.
Absolutely agree.
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:02
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Ironic that it's the Germans, there is only one thing worse than a state banning an item of clothing IMO and that is a state enforcing the wearing of an item of clothing or a symbol.

I have no problem whatsoever with people not being allowed to cover their faces in situations where for security reasons, banks, airports, etc etc etc, it is necessary to see a persons face, but for just walking down the street then it sets all sorts of precedents, what's next the banning of hats, hoodies, beards, scarves, sunglasses, crash helmets? they all obscure the face and can make identification difficult in some circumstances.

I wonder what it could be that makes an item of clothing exclusively worn by women, and women of a certain religion, so 'special' that it requires a law just for that one item of clothing?
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:08
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No, I've never seen that.

Most workplaces have uniforms of various sorts, and I suspect Asian women have to wear that if they want the job - I never heard of anyone getting let off on religious grounds.

Of course the ubiquitous headscarf is allowed, as it doesn't interfere with efficient functioning.

The trouble with seeing the burqa as an instrument of oppression is that there's no way of telling if a woman is in fact being oppressed, or if she freely chooses to obey the dictates of her religion.

It's really an internal matter for Muslim women. I don't think it's a matter for banning. After all, they can always take it off if they have a change of heart.
Bit in bold, to those who say that some women are forced to wear one before leaving the house by overbearing and bullying husbands I would ask, how do they think a blanket ban would effect these women that they are SO concerned about?

What would be the most likely action of such a husband in the majority of cases?
Yip, they would never allow the woman to leave the house making her a prisoner in her own home for life, some 'liberation' that would be.

and of course the other good point you raise is that there are many Muslim women who want to wear them.
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:12
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I hope we don't go down this route. It's one thing to allow institutions to decide on acceptable dress code, as occured in court of law recently, it's another for the state to legislate more widely what people can and can't wear. Clearly it's electioneering. It's the sort of shoddy electioneering that panders to certain prejudices in our population.

I think if we copy the French and Dutch in this we will have thrown away something that is very precious. That Anglo Saxon attitude that it's no one else's bloody business what someone chooses to wear.
I agree wholeheartedly. Now where did i put my balaclava. It's freezing out there and a trip to the bank is required.
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:13
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Desperate stuff from Merkel.
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:16
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Well she's just been confirmed as the CDU's candidate for the election with 89.5%
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:17
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What would be the most likely action of such a husband in the majority of cases?
Yip, they would never allow the woman to leave the house making her a prisoner in her own home for life, some 'liberation' that would be.
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Welcome back to the 7th century.......
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:21
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Welcome back to the 7th century.......
I am really sorry but .. eh?
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:21
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A significantly large number of Muslim women around my neck of the woods wear the whole kit, all you can see is two eyes peering out at you. Black from head to foot.

If this gear didn't already exist anyone suggesting wearing such clothing would be thought an idiot. And rightly so.
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