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Old 06-12-2016, 15:24
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Welcome back to the 7th century.......
Makes the 1950s look like a equality paradise.
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:26
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Well she's just been confirmed as the CDU's candidate for the election with 89.5%
Indicative of the shortage of talent on offer.
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:36
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Makes the 1950s look like a equality paradise.
Still not getting the connection to what I posted.
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:38
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Angela Merkel has called for a burqa ban in Germany and said the refugee crisis “must never be repeated” while making her pitch for a fourth term as Chancellor.


Never be repeated by whom?
She invited them all!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...rmany-despite/
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:53
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A significantly large number of Muslim women around my neck of the woods wear the whole kit, all you can see is two eyes peering out at you. Black from head to foot.

If this gear didn't already exist anyone suggesting wearing such clothing would be thought an idiot. And rightly so.
Some people would say that about piercings, tattoos, goth clothes, hipster outfits, hippie outfits (are there any left?) men in suits with ties, jeans, people who dye their hair blue. orange or magenta, twinset and pearls types, bikers in lycra, etc.

You can think what you like about what people wear, but it's a free country (like it or not) and they can wear what they like, at least in their free time.
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Old 06-12-2016, 17:03
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A significantly large number of Muslim women around my neck of the woods wear the whole kit, all you can see is two eyes peering out at you. Black from head to foot.

If this gear didn't already exist anyone suggesting wearing such clothing would be thought an idiot. And rightly so.
There's no law against being an idiot. If an obese person, for example, wanted to wear speedos in the high street then it's their problem not ours (well apart from trying to blank out the image).

If your argument is that women shouldn't wear burkas because it oppresses women then you have to start thinking of banning Jewish women wearing the Sheitel, perhaps ban marriage ceremonies where men and women are separated, schools where boys and girls are separated...

... where does it end?
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Old 06-12-2016, 17:17
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Some people would say that about piercings, tattoos, goth clothes, hipster outfits, hippie outfits (are there any left?) men in suits with ties, jeans, people who dye their hair blue. orange or magenta, twinset and pearls types, bikers in lycra, etc.

You can think what you like about what people wear, but it's a free country (like it or not) and they can wear what they like, at least in their free time.
You are free to wear what you like unless it offends someone else. We cannot wear Nazi uniforms in the street without falling foul of Public Order acts, we cannot wear KKK outfits without doing the same. There seems to be a reluctance to consider the political aspects of the Burqua. Many perceive it to be worn as a statement of support for politically violent and dictatorial Islam and could be a public order offence.
It is also interesting that the freedom to wear what one wishes is not extended by many who demand the freedom to wear the Burqua as the men doing the charity walk in mankinis found to their cost as they passed through Sparkbrook. Strange that problems did not arise anywhere else on their 8 mile walk.
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Old 06-12-2016, 17:26
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Irrespective of what one's feeling are on the Burqa, I think there's something quite sinister in the government dictating what people should or should not be allowed to wear, let alone singling out one particular piece of headwear.

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Old 06-12-2016, 17:29
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We cannot wear Nazi uniforms in the street without falling foul of Public Order acts,
Wearing a Nazi uniform in public is not a crime in the UK
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Old 06-12-2016, 17:34
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As I recall Germany tried to make wearing Nazi insignia and uniforms illegal though out the EU. Britain successfully resisted this by arguing it was against individual freedom. Quite right too in my view. Not that I want to wear Nazi uniforms or the burqa for that matter, I like neither, but it's not the place of the state to say what people should and shouldn't wear. That's more the thinking of people who would wear Nazi uniforms.
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Old 06-12-2016, 17:38
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This stunned me. So 'Banning the Burqa' has become a political point scoring issue and not the male attitudes that have made it an issue in the first place..?

It was reported today that a boy was raped in Sweden by a group of Afghani's and yet - the Burqa is what we really need to fight - right?
Is this just a case of picking on the easiest, quietest but, visible target? How about tackling the general misogyny their religion/culture inspires?

How about tackling proper and appropriate integration?

Nope - let's pick on the poor sods that have zero voice either way.
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Old 06-12-2016, 17:39
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You are free to wear what you like unless it offends someone else. We cannot wear Nazi uniforms in the street without falling foul of Public Order acts, we cannot wear KKK outfits without doing the same. There seems to be a reluctance to consider the political aspects of the Burqua. Many perceive it to be worn as a statement of support for politically violent and dictatorial Islam and could be a public order offence.
It is also interesting that the freedom to wear what one wishes is not extended by many who demand the freedom to wear the Burqua as the men doing the charity walk in mankinis found to their cost as they passed through Sparkbrook. Strange that problems did not arise anywhere else on their 8 mile walk.
I should have added mankinis to my list of idiotic things to wear.

What happened to these men was deplorable; intolerance always is. Let's not increase it's occurence, shall we?
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Old 06-12-2016, 17:40
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From link -

" He said the law would apply in “places where it is necessary for our society's coexistence” including government offices, schools and universities, courtrooms as well as demonstrations."

" Dutch MPs voted for a similar prohibition in the Netherlands last month, covering public transport, education, healthcare and government buildings and punishing any infractions with fines."

" Support for bans on full-face veils has been growing across Europe since France became the first country to implement such a law in 2011, followed by France, Belgium, Bulgaria and parts of Switzerland."

Trump could well do something like this in America, what about the UK?
I can see Trump supporting this but I can't see a bill being put forward in Congress then passing.

What I see happening, however, is Trump encouraging states to do this resulting in a solid amount of red states like Oklahoma, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia, South Carolina, Texas maybe even the likes of Pennsylvania and Ohio doing it in the next four years.

As for the UK, maybe England and Wales will get it down the line if a terrorist attack happens at some point which the right wing lot of Tories will use to their advantage to get this passed, unsure about Northern Ireland as I don't know if Sinn Fein would be keen on it and Scotland definitely not as I can't see any of Nicola, Ruth or Kezia supporting it.
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Old 06-12-2016, 17:44
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Irrespective of what one's feeling are on the Burqa, I think there's something quite sinister in the government dictating what people should or should not be allowed to wear, let alone singling out one particular piece of headwear.

Regards, Cypher
It's also singularly un-British to ban things in that way.
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Old 06-12-2016, 17:44
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This stunned me. So 'Banning the Burqa' has become a political point scoring issue and not the male attitudes that have made it an issue in the first place..?

It was reported today that a boy was raped in Sweden by a group of Afghani's and yet - the Burqa is what we really need to fight - right?
Is this just a case of picking on the easiest, quietest but, visible target? How about tackling the general misogyny their religion/culture inspires?

How about tackling proper and appropriate integration?

Nope - let's pick on the poor sods that have zero voice either way.
Blame the "victims".
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Old 06-12-2016, 17:44
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She really must think people are fools. It takes more than that to win their trust back.
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Old 06-12-2016, 17:46
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I can see Trump supporting this but I can't see a bill being put forward in Congress then passing.
trump supports hatred, it makes it easier to control the masses.

As for the UK, maybe England and Wales will get it down the line if a terrorist attack happens at some point which the right wing lot of Tories will use to their advantage to get this passed
I can see a lot of Tories voting AGAINST it on purely moral grounds.
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Old 06-12-2016, 18:02
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There are some brainwashed people around here. The burkha should never have been allowed here in the first place, it's disgusting.
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Old 06-12-2016, 18:09
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This stunned me. So 'Banning the Burqa' has become a political point scoring issue and not the male attitudes that have made it an issue in the first place..?

It was reported today that a boy was raped in Sweden by a group of Afghani's and yet - the Burqa is what we really need to fight - right?
Is this just a case of picking on the easiest, quietest but, visible target? How about tackling the general misogyny their religion/culture inspires?

How about tackling proper and appropriate integration?

Nope - let's pick on the poor sods that have zero voice either way.
But the burqa is a symptom of that misogyny.
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Old 06-12-2016, 18:10
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But the burqa is a symptom of that misogyny.
So the solution is further intolerance

There are some brainwashed people around here. The burkha should never have been allowed here in the first place, it's disgusting.
Why should it be banned? Do you think that female Muslims should be punished further?
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Old 06-12-2016, 18:11
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Angela Merkel has called for a burqa ban in Germany and said the refugee crisis “must never be repeated” while making her pitch for a fourth term as Chancellor.


Never be repeated by whom?
That's a funny way to tell the public to not vote for you and to vote for somebody else instead.

As if somebody else is going to be voted in and think "You know what, with this immigrant thing, I should do exactly the same thing as Merkel".

After she's told the German public that they are xenophobic, Islamophobic, or racist if they aren't on message with her immigration policies, she's now proposing something which if a member of the public said it then they could get into trouble for it.
The German public must be so confused. After what she's been like, saying something like that is almost incendiary and likely to pit various factions of the German public against each other.

I wonder if she'll have herself arrested for hatespeech?

I'm sure that she thinks that she's catering to a section of the public who in her mind she thinks are 'racist' anyway. But if I'm honest I don't think that the burqa is really the most important thing on people's minds. It probably comes down quite low on the list of people's priorities.
And anyway, how many people actually wear the burqa anyway? Is she actually talking about the burqa or the niqab? I don't know about in Germany but in the UK I've very rarely seen anyone wear a burqa. I think it's a lot rarer than people think.
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Old 06-12-2016, 18:21
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So the solution is further intolerance


Why should it be banned? Do you think that female Muslims should be punished further?
How many Muslims who have integrated in the West do you think want to wear a burqa?
Do you know any? Why do you assume that they will think that they're being punished?
Have you considered that when it comes to banning the burqa they may see it as a good thing?

I think that it's very interesting that you see banning the burqa as being an act of intolerance. It could be depending on the intent behind such an action. But have you truly considered how Muslim women feel about the burqa. More specifically Muslim women in the West who feel free enough to express their thoughts about it.
I'm not claiming that I know the answer myself, but I do know that Muslims are not all one and the same thing and that there are differences in thought depending on where you come from and what environment you have been brought up in.
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Old 06-12-2016, 18:26
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How many Muslims who have integrated in the West do you think want to wear a burqa?
Do you know any? Why do you assume that they will think that they're being punished?
Have you considered that when it comes to banning the burqa they may see it as a good thing?

I think that it's very interesting that you see banning the burqa as being an act of intolerance. It could be depending on the intent behind such an action. But have you truly considered how Muslim women feel about the burqa. More specifically Muslim women in the West who feel free enough to express their thoughts about it.
So you want to punish people you think of as victims?
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Old 06-12-2016, 18:28
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So you want to punish people you think of as victims?
What have I said which makes you think I want to punish anybody?

I haven't offered a strong opinion one way or another about banning it, but you have. Do you think that you're helping to punish anybody by holding the opinion you have about it or do you think you're doing them a favour?
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Old 06-12-2016, 18:29
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This stunned me. So 'Banning the Burqa' has become a political point scoring issue and not the male attitudes that have made it an issue in the first place..?

It was reported today that a boy was raped in Sweden by a group of Afghani's and yet - the Burqa is what we really need to fight - right?
Is this just a case of picking on the easiest, quietest but, visible target? How about tackling the general misogyny their religion/culture inspires?

How about tackling proper and appropriate integration?

Nope - let's pick on the poor sods that have zero voice either way.
Points well made.
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