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Old 06-12-2016, 16:37
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Govt will agree to Labour's motion tomorrow to publish a Brexit 'plan', but also challenge MPs to agree PM's Article 50 timetable.
Seriously?????
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:37
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May hasn't got the hang of this strong leader lark, has she?
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:38
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But with amendments.
Amendments they will seek a vote on and lose on and then they will back the government motion.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:38
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The motion is to be debated tomorrow.
I knew that the debate would be tomorrow. OP says it will be accepted tomorrow.

You have to have a debate before announcing the result.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:38
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What is the source of your information? No mention of "tomorrow" on Sky and nothing on BBC.
It's on BBC
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:38
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You said

Govt will agree to Labour's motion tomorrow to publish a Brexit 'plan', but also challenge MPs to agree PM's Article 50 timetable.


The motion is to be debated tomorrow. Which bit of that is difficult?
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:39
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Yes that was your opening post on the thread.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:39
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This whole charade is going to fall apart. How could it ever have done anything else?

When Soubry is happy to join Corbyn, you know the stakes are high. This whole debacle was a mechanism to hold the Tory party together - it will be blown apart once this is over.

I hope it's fatal for them.
If Labour get their act together they might work out that, combined with the Libdems here and the SNP in Scotland, if they go for a policy of "let's stop the whole bloody charade" then there would probably be more votes in it than their present woolly "half in, half out, half don't know, our membership is split head-in-the-sand" stance.

They could even agree with anti-Brexit Tories not to stand against them.

The way May's going about - are we up to "Black-and-blue" yet?? - a vote of No Confidence MUST be looming in the distance.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:39
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The motion is to be debated tomorrow. Which bit of that is difficult?
None of it. But OP says that the result of the debate will be acceptance.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:40
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Yes that was your opening post on the thread.
I give up. The OP was in plain English.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:41
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Amendments they will seek a vote on and lose on and then they will back the government motion.
I think you misunderstood something there. Try again.....
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:42
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None of it. But OP says that the result of the debate will be acceptance.
It's about publishing a plan (note, not THE plan as there isn't one) so as to reveal our hand whereas before she wouldn't publish a plan (she couldn't as she hadn't got one) as it would show our hand.

How do you spell "U-turn"?
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:42
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As I said the publication of a plan will be very vague and will likely be a list of dates of what happens after A50 is invoked. They are not going to lay out a strategy and tell parliament everything they are going to push for, what their red lines are etc.

Seriously this amendment isn't all that much, although respect to the government for pushing it back saying that A50 has to be invoked by March is a clever move. Although it may render the A50 court case in the Supreme Court irrelevant.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:43
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I give up. The OP was in plain English.
It is, you plainly said Govt will agree to Labour's motion tomorrow "

How do you know what will happen tomorrow?
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:43
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I knew that the debate would be tomorrow. OP says it will be accepted tomorrow.

You have to have a debate before announcing the result.
It'd be easier to just admit that you misread the initial post and the meaning of 'tomorrow'.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:43
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The only amendment is to agree to the A 50 timetable.
No it isn't. The full amended text is here. Can't copy and paste:

https://twitter.com/Lukejones03/stat...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:43
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None of it. But OP says that the result of the debate will be acceptance.
IT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED. The government will publish the details.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:44
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It'd be easier to just admit that you misread the initial post and the meaning of 'tomorrow'.
I have nothing to admit. OP cannot know today what will happen tomorrow.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:44
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What are you on about? Have you watched the news?
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:44
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So we're now on an unstoppable path to hard brexit then?
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:45
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You are aware that this only happened because she was about to lose majority in the Commons.

Labour's motion was supported by the SNP, Lib Dems and 40 Tories.

Guess what would happen if she lies (notwithstanding the upcoming Supreme Court ruling).
Who said anything about lies?

I noticed you did this a lot in the supreme court thread too making up things people didn't say. So on that basis I will leave you there and let others engage you if they feel it is worthwhile.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:47
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I have nothing to admit. OP cannot know today what will happen tomorrow.
He can know what the government say today what they're going to do tomorrow though.

You're just making yourself look sillier, rather than admitting you simply misread what 'tomorrow' referred to.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:48
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At least we will know if may wants it hard or soft.

She was going to loose thats why she caved in.
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:49
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What are you on about? Have you watched the news?
I have linked to the full text of the amendment above. I suspect this will be the part that the Government uses to ensure that what is disclosed is very vague:

"......confirms that there should be no disclosure of material that could be reasonably judged to damage the UK negotiations to depart from the European Union after Article 50 has been triggered."
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:52
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I have linked to the full text of the amendment above. I suspect this will be the part that the Government uses to ensure that what is disclosed is very vague:

"......confirms that there should be no disclosure of material that could be reasonably judged to damage the UK negotiations to depart from the European Union after Article 50 has been triggered."
And there you prove my point! THANK YOU!

There is no way the government is going to reveal its hand and another thing, its a motion so its not binding.
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