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Mrs May is bending and stretching like an old pantomime horse whose elastic has perished. She will say and do anything to save her fragile skin but eventually she will go belly-up in spectacular fashion. I cannot wait.
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Mrs May is bending and stretching like an old pantomime horse whose elastic has perished. She will say and do anything to save her fragile skin but eventually she will go belly-up in spectacular fashion. I cannot wait.
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You can't really win as a politician.
"Tell us your negotiation position!" "No." "You must tell us, it's incrediby important and you're an idiot for not doing so!" No." "Just tell us!" "Ok then, I'll tell you." "U-turn! Wow, are you spineless or what?" "????" |
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Don't forget that the EU insists that future relations between the UK and EU can only be discussed once we are outside the union, so the desires of the remainers are meaningless at the moment.
It can be discussed in the UK as much as we like. And I likee much. |
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And I've told you before that you're linking to the ORIGINAL Labour motion.
You can see the amendment here: https://twitter.com/stevebakerhw/sta...68081257132032 And how the original motion really doesn't require much at all by way of government compliance, being nothing more than a point-scoring exercise - but also that the government amendment also doesn't do much either apart from scoring a point in the other direction. "Deuce!". In more ways than one. |
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Hardly. Taken in isolation yes, not with everything else going on.
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Appealing the court ruling was May's big mistake. Should have just accepted it and forced MP's hand in Parliament.
And if the Lord's started playing up invoke the Parliament Act. |
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So we're now on an unstoppable path to hard brexit then?
If she gets labour to agree nobody can stop Brexit.. Not Gina Miller, not Nick Clegg not the SNP ! Savvy move by Teresa May ! |
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To add to today's disastrous day for the government - it would be extremely hard to not incorporate the content of the motion into any Article 50 bill which opens it up for more scrutiny by the Commons and of course the Lords.
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It will certainly be interesting to see if the published plan includes anyone else's 'canary clauses', assuming it has more detail than 'go and ask nicely for stuff'.
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Your wrong. If you are referring to the SC debacle, the whole case and exercise is a charade, Mrs May can invoke Article 50 irrespective of the result. This has just been a expensive pantomime, totally pointless, and a disgraceful waste of time.
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To add to today's disastrous day for the government - it would be extremely hard to not incorporate the content of the motion into any Article 50 bill which opens it up for more scrutiny by the Commons and of course the Lords.
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No running commentary, cards close to the chest blah blah all out the window now?
A plan is meaningless in political speak. All the adults in Parliament could write the plan now. The Government's plan is to leave the EU, remove the UK from European Court jurisdiction, establish national control of immigration, return the right to make our own international trade deals, and to obtain the best achievable economic trading relationship with the EU, for goods and services. We would hope to retain the rights of EU nationals now present in the UK, subject to an equivalent reciprocal deal with the EU for UK nationals living there., and to maintain our role in European research and educational collaborative programmes. Rights now conferred by EU legislation will be taken up into English law by the Great Repeal Bill. Thats about it. Its the plan. |
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I don't think you appreciate the intricacies of the motion. Other forum members have tried to tell you, read their posts again. It's alright, I didn't at first either.
Just as a side note - the government has gone on record to say that the amended motion is not to be seen as an "expression of will" of Parliament. Good thing as well considering the Tories have had their fingers burned trying to trick Parliament with a motion under Major. |
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Hardly. The court is likely to outline exactly which questions Parliament must have answers to prior to being able to vote on A 50 - i.e. status of EU citizens in the UK, consumer rights... really any citizens' rights granted via the EU membership.
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Your wrong. If you are referring to the SC debacle, the whole case and exercise is a charade, Mrs May can invoke Article 50 irrespective of the result. This has just been a expensive pantomime, totally pointless, and a disgraceful waste of time.
Along the way this will deal with the Scottish nonsense about them having some sort of veto . |
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"tomorrow" isn't.
OP said Govt will agree to Labour's motion tomorrow to publish a Brexit 'plan', but also challenge MPs to agree PM's Article 50 timetable. Going to be debated tomorrow if you read this. |
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Your having a bad day, wrong wrong and wrong again. Do try to keep up.
![]() If you would have watched today's hearing then you would be fully aware of where this is leading (of course you'd also need some knowledge of our legal system). |
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Nobody is even asking them to do that. They certainly would be expected to say whether they favour a hard or soft Brexit though, that would hardly be revealing a load of secrets.
There is no binary choice, They favour the best achievable brexit - that we can negotiate, and is consistent with our other negotiating priorities. Its pointless saying you want what you can't get, or want incompatible things, or want something bad- when you might get something a bit better. |
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Erm nope. As previously where I was right, I will be right again.
![]() If you would have watched today's hearing then you would be fully aware of where this is leading (of course you'd also need some knowledge of our legal system). |
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I have, and your wrong, last time I shall say it.
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At least we will know if may wants it hard or soft.
She was going to loose thats why she caved in.
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Oh I very much do. I think it's some others (in particular the ones claiming the original Labour motion was the amended government version) fail to understand what has happened today.
Just as a side note - the government has gone on record to say that the amended motion is not to be seen as an "expression of will" of Parliament. Good thing as well considering the Tories have had their fingers burned trying to trick Parliament with a motion under Major. Quote:
Your having a bad day, wrong wrong and wrong again. Do try to keep up.
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Erm nope. As previously where I was right, I will be right again.
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I have, and your wrong, last time I shall say it.
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Repeating it doesn't make it any more true and my track record speaks for itself
![]() If the Remainers don't vote for the bill, the Government can keep completely silent about its negotiating stance. If the Remainers DO vote it through, the Government can reveal a small amount while still respecting the spirit of the bill. They'd also have the parliamentary mandate to trigger A50 as and when they wished as opposed to having to hold a separate act and debate on the issue. |
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You can't really win as a politician.
"Tell us your negotiation position!" "No." "You must tell us, it's incrediby important and you're an idiot for not doing so!" No." "Just tell us!" "Ok then, I'll tell you." "U-turn! Wow, are you spineless or what?" "????" We aren't triggering article 50 until March and negotiations may not conclude until as early as October 2018. Two years of this endless will she won't she what will we do is going to be exhausting and tedious. If the government knew the result there wouldn't need to be any negotiations would there. |
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The Government's plan is to leave the EU, remove the UK from European Court jurisdiction, establish national control of immigration, return the right to make our own international trade deals, and to obtain the best achievable economic trading relationship with the EU, for goods and services. We would hope to retain the rights of EU nationals now present in the UK, subject to an equivalent reciprocal deal with the EU for UK nationals living there., and to maintain our role in European research and educational collaborative programmes. Rights now conferred by EU legislation will be taken up into English law by the Great Repeal Bill. Thats about it. Its the plan. The phrase "establish national control of immigration" means leaving the Single Market, which many people (including some Brexiters) would oppose. I'm afraid that slogans and one-liners may seem sensible to Farage and his cretinous supporters, but they are precisely why the arguments have continued. |
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