It is not the 24hr cycle - it is May emulating Cameron by trying to pleasing everyone. She would have done far better to emulate Barnier and say "We will trigger in March to give us enough time to draw up guidelines for the negotiations". She didn't, because any relaxation on complete "control" of EU migration would mean the Tories would lose votes to UKIP. If Cameron or May had any spine, they would face these clowns and their cretinous supporters down.

Read further up where I responded to you in regards to the government having gone on record that your second option doesn't apply. The motion has no legal standing and a bill&act will still be required.

That's Brexit in a nutshell. No idea what the result will be, whether an absolutely fantastic deal for the UK or something you wouldn't wipe your backside with.

The whole country and it's future at stake - and the government have let the country go to the poll without a clue as to where it's going and if it goes wrong we will all suffer.

It had better be at least "alright", but I wouldn't trust anyone who had anything to do with Brexit (on either side) to put a glove on, let alone bat for the UK.

In 2018 the new PM will probably come out of the final negotiations dizzy and try to explain what the statement on the paper "we're now all Germans" means.

Think that's why us remoaners keep on remoaning about it - because the country's future (sod the country, OUR future) is at stake and look at the muppets in charge of it.

And those in charge can clear off any time they like and afford to live on a nice Carribbean Island selling books....

I expect all those Tory supporters who have been wringing their hands in tearful despair while bemoaning the lack of a strong opposition while reminding us all of the huge importance of a strong and effective opposition in a modern democracy, will now be telling us just how delighted they are?

Apparently Corbyn is a weak ineffective and shambolic leader of a weak ineffective and shambolic party, well, according to the BBC and the Tory supporting media anyway.

There is certainly someone who fits that description perfectly at the moment, *hint* female.

Yet this move outflanks Labour long term, by allowing the opposition and remainers to see and influence the Brexit negotiations via A50. It's given Labour,Lib Dems and the SNP all the rope they need to hang themselves, if they continue to object to Brexit.

About time. No sensible MP is going to commit the country to a totally unknown destination post Leave especially if 50 is irreversible. It would be irresponsible of them to do so. Triggering 50 needs to be conditional on no Hard/Extreme Brexit.

That ship sailed weeks ago and is no longer credible. It is good that the govt are finally catching up with the narrative.

Of course if May succeeds in keeping her objectives secret she can stride out of the negotiations declaring that she got exactly what she wanted as she's such a brilliant negotiator and we won't know any better.

I'm sure that hasn't occured to her though, only a cynic would suggest such a thing.

Theresa Mayhem living up to her reputation

Great day today; Tessie flattened in both the SC and parliament.

Regarding the latter, I suspect it was the Tory rebels rather than Jezza wot won it but hey, I'll take it.

Ultimately and as I've repeated till I'm blue in the face, Brexiters will indeed get their Brexit (worst luck...), just a Brexit that makes the best of a spectacularly bad job.

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Labour don't object to brexit, Corbyn has repeatedly stated that he respects the democratic choice of the British people and has steadfastly refused to support those calling on Labour to try to block brexit, I hardly think that the likes of Anna Sourbury and up to 40 other Tory MPs have suddenly become Corbyn supporters, however it is their threat to support the Labour amendment which has caused May to 'bottle it'

Fortunately there are plenty of democracy supporting Tory MPs who are prepared to stand up to May and her dictatorial ways, All they are asking is to be kept informed of what May and her three brexiteers have in mind for the future of our country.

As a remain voter I 100% respect the democratic choice of the British people and do not wish to block brexit or to have another referendum,

I DO however believe that the British parliament and ALL of the British people have a right to be informed and to have a say in how our nations future is being shaped,

I don't believe many leave voters voted knowing that the future of this country post brexit would be decided by four Tories, because hard as it may be for some to believe it wasn't exclusively Tories who voted to leave.

Well as the Tories have a majority (that's why they are in government) it would have been almost impossible for Jezzer and Labour alone to force May to back down,
Jezzer and Labour do deserve the credit for tabling the amendment and for getting enough support to humiliate May in such a way. That's what 'an effective opposition' does.

Hard Brexit conservative MPs has played a blinder too in that if the Labour MPs refuse to support them in activating Article 50, Labour will look the bad ones and get the flack. Teresa May has to dance her cabimets tune now ! Who are sick of waiting and want to force it through quicker and rightfully so it's best for everyone.

So Atleast we have a pathway now and a timetable for Brexit. Smug Gina Miller can do one ! I'm laughing at all the money she's wasting with these court cases and travelling personally.. And in the end she hasn't changed a thing LOL ! Goodbye !

Thanks to Labour


They are trying to frustrate the will of the people..

They want us to go back to the EU grovelling

She's hobbled.
Her tiny majority couldn't really withstand even what one might call run-of-the-mill dissent on an ordinary bread-and-butter issue, let alone a calamity like this, where a significant number of the PCP is brexit-sceptic.

Watching Zac Goldsmith being decapitated will have made many of them ponder...

Labour? and the almost 40 Tory MPs who back Labours amendment, not so long ago this forum was awash with Tory supporters bemoaning the lack of a strong opposition, telling us all how vital a strong opposition is for the sake of democracy, I wonder where they are now? not seen many rejoicing at the fact that the opposition have forced the PM into a U turn.


Corbyn has constantly stated that he respects the will of the people and has denounced those calling for another referendum, in fact Corbyn is trying to ensure that the people are kept informed as to what May's intentions are, the very epitome of democracy in action.

May on the other hand seems to think that the public don't need to know what she has planned for their future, I think we are supposed to just trust that the beloved leader has ALL of our best interests to heart,

ya know like they do in north Korea?

A big vote happening today:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/234225...te-for-brexit/

Best thing May has done, she has played a blinder. Turning the tables on the people hiding !

It's either Hard Brexit or no Brexit, no Soft Brexit no half measures of sneaking into the EU through some back door like a third World country would do.. Simple vote will decide the cards on the table and then in 2020 the traitors will be outed when the public appoint a new government that works for the people of the UK ! majority should rule in a democracy.. and the public have spoken.

It is time for action, no more empty promises !

Are you really not able to see through right wing press propaganda?

The Labour motion is being debated in the commons after this weeks PMQs

I've no idea what they think this motion will achieve that's in any way an improvement on what the government have always maintained would be their strategy.

It's just a typical party political stunt to bank a claim to a moral high ground that wasn't really there for the taking in the first place as far as I can tell.

The notion of this being a May cave in is frankly ridiculous at the moment. The motion is yet to be debated and the govt yet to offer anything above and beyond what they've said they'd be offering up for debate anyway...

As political point scoring victories go this one looks as shallow as a wet pavement

Nice one Labour, and well done sensible Tories, Clarke Soubry et al.

I know your posts often don't make much sense but this one actually warrants responding to.

You do understand (maybe not as you quote the Sun) that this motion has no impact at all on the Supreme Court appeal?

In fact the government went on record yesterday to ensure that no one misinterprets the vote today as an "expression of will" of Parliament.

In fact it had to do so as two certain Tory backbenchers claimed exactly that. It went as far to remind people that Major tried a dirty trick by amending a motion and that didn't turn out very well.

Now, while it may appear that May's move was quite clever even with the above taken into consideration, this is not the case at all. This in fact smells of a BoJo attempt to be clever (his name is on the amendment and May's out of the country).

While any MP voting yes will agree to the March timetable (which really no one ever had a problem with apart from a handful of MPs), this is irrelevant if MPs believe that the government isn't upholding its part of the deal - i.e. giving enough details.

A motion isn't worth the paper it's written on - what makes this one interesting is the total U-Turn of government within hours of putting out a statement to the opposite effect... on a day where its lawyers were torn to pieces and the court made clear that it would wish to know more about the Great Repeal Bill but the government had to admit that there are no plans.

As for your Gina Milla comment - she is not wasting any money on this at all but more importantly she is only one tiny part of the whole court case. There are no less than 5,000 ORDINARY people involved. So once and for all stop bashing her. She was unlucky to be made the lead claimant by the courts, which is a very random and complex process.

Fair do's; Jezza did his job but I think it's akin to the hat trick Lucas scored for Arsenal last night; good stuff but all tap ins, laid on a plate by others!

May has a majority. Any defeat in Parliament will be a consequence of her being unable to control her own party.

I know the line from many of the Leave brigade is to blame anyone but themselves, but they're going to have to accept responsibility for their own actions at some point.

Well, well, well looks like Tessie's cunning plan is just starting to backfire as predicted. Starmer has just outlined what information needs to be given under the motion.... aka. the "five tests".

Good luck

NB. Never thought I'd even give a minute of my time to Labour but hey.