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Trump Slams Building Of Air Force One
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...-one/95033188/
-------- No way on earth will the security services let him fly around in his own plane. |
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He lies about the cost, what's wrong hasn't Boeing bribed him yet? Are they going to install gold taps, call it trump one and insist the riff raff travel in in the cargo bay so that trump doesn't have to associate with poor people. Quote:
No way on earth will the security services let him fly around in his own plane.
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Apparently his tweet cost Boeing $1bn in lost share value.
He's a dangerous fool. |
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When I read the thread title I thought he had run his car into the wall of the hanger
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Known moron is acting like a moron.
I AM SHOCK. |
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He thinks two aeroplanes that have to be designed to maximise the chances of the people inside surviving pretty much anything, never mind needing state of the art communications, is going to be cheap?
He doesn't seem to understand how big a target the US President is. |
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Apparently his tweet cost Boeing $1bn in lost share value.
He's a dangerous fool. |
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...-one/95033188/
-------- No way on earth will the security services let him fly around in his own plane. Airforce 1 is an emergency nuclear command post, in case the Presudent can't get to his accompanying E4, Neacap, dedicated airborne command post. Its got global communcations capability, military comunications, room for a war leadership role, proofed against EMP effects from nuclear bursts, with missile defences, inflight refueling capability, room for security teams, and probably escape means. Its got the infrastructure to power and support that lot. It doesn't come cheap. Its a one off design with expensive equipment and additional capabilities needed. And you need at least two to cover unavailability - which increases costs , but doesn't produce economies of scale. Some old rust bucket like Trump one isn't going to meet the bill. All this shows is that Trump still hasn't got the first idea about nuclear deterrence, the threat, and his role in it. |
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Any proof of this??
Or are you referring to trump being a dangerous fool |
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Any proof of this??
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7458946.html |
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You need to put the figures in context. Boeing is a $100bn company so to "lose" $1bn the share price only has to fall 1% - which it has since regained.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7458946.html |
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Boeing are the ones lying, by omission:
"We are currently under contract for $170 million to help determine the capabilities of these complex military aircraft that serve the unique requirements of the President of the United States. We look forward to working with the U.S. Air Force on subsequent phases of the program allowing us to deliver the best planes for the President at the best value for the American taxpayer." http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2016-12-...-Air-Force-One That's $170m just for the assessment stage! The actual programme will be billions. They carefully avoid mentioning that bit in their media counter-strike. |
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No need to, he'll use the current AF1
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Boeing are the ones lying, by omission:
"We are currently under contract for $170 million to help determine the capabilities of these complex military aircraft that serve the unique requirements of the President of the United States. We look forward to working with the U.S. Air Force on subsequent phases of the program allowing us to deliver the best planes for the President at the best value for the American taxpayer." http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2016-12-...-Air-Force-One That's $170m just for the assessment stage! The actual programme will be billions. They carefully avoid mentioning that bit in their media counter-strike. |
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Its 30 years old - and increasingly unsustainable . 90% of its mark of Boeing 747 have been withdrawn from use for old age. . The rest are used by small airlines, mainly for freight.
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he's an idiot - completely unaware of what being President means, and too stupid to find out and deal with the issues.
Airforce 1 is an emergency nuclear command post, in case the Presudent can't get to his accompanying E4, Neacap, dedicated airborne command post. Its got global communcations capability, military comunications, room for a war leadership role, proofed against EMP effects from nuclear bursts, with missile defences, inflight refueling capability, room for security teams, and probably escape means. Its got the infrastructure to power and support that lot. It doesn't come cheap. Its a one off design with expensive equipment and additional capabilities needed. And you need at least two to cover unavailability - which increases costs , but doesn't produce economies of scale. Some old rust bucket like Trump one isn't going to meet the bill. All this shows is that Trump still hasn't got the first idea about nuclear deterrence, the threat, and his role in it. |
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He thinks two aeroplanes that have to be designed to maximise the chances of the people inside surviving pretty much anything, never mind needing state of the art communications, is going to be cheap?
He doesn't seem to understand how big a target the US President is. |
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It's a shame as the 747 is my favourite aeroplane to fly on despite them showing their age. I used to love flying "upstairs" in the bubble on BA long haul. It felt as if you were on a small private plane.
![]() The current one is a converted 747 200 B - which is a relatively early version bult in 1986. . Airlines don't tend to fly those any more - as the new ones are much more fuel efficient, higher powered, easier to maintain, and meet modern safety specs . And customers might be a bit put out if they realised their plane was 30 and aging , and thought how often they changed their car. The Airforce should propose Trump flies around in the empty tail gunner's position in a B52H . that would be cheap - but he may be too fat to fit. The youngest aircraft are 54 years old - and good to 2040 at least - not least because they were built like battleships, and spent most of their lives, on the ground, on quick reaction alert ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ7niLYSVFo the timetable of that take off is interesting because its about the timescale Trump would face in a nuclear attack.Thats designed to get the bombers off 4- 5 minutes before a missile from a submarine can get there - Washington and New York would have less warning. And Trump thinks he can work from his home in New York or Trump one.............
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Boeing are the ones lying, by omission:
"We are currently under contract for $170 million to help determine the capabilities of these complex military aircraft that serve the unique requirements of the President of the United States. We look forward to working with the U.S. Air Force on subsequent phases of the program allowing us to deliver the best planes for the President at the best value for the American taxpayer." http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2016-12-...-Air-Force-One That's $170m just for the assessment stage! The actual programme will be billions. They carefully avoid mentioning that bit in their media counter-strike. Quote:
£1.65bn, not £4bn
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/poli...-slips-n692511 Miller did not answer directly how Trump knew the price of the new Air Force One, but according to the latest figures, Trump is likely correct about the $4 billion price tag. Research and development is already at $2.7 billion for first two years, a number that is already budgeted and approved, and the Government Accountability Office warned last year that the cost would be approximately $3.2 billion. By the time the aircraft is delivered, the total cost will likely be over $4 billion, because the government still has to buy the two aircraft once they are built. |
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Miller did not answer directly how Trump knew the price of the new Air Force One, but according to the latest figures, Trump is likely correct about the $4 billion price tag. Research and development is already at $2.7 billion for first two years, a number that is already budgeted and approved, and the Government Accountability Office warned last year that the cost would be approximately $3.2 billion. By the time the aircraft is delivered, the total cost will likely be over $4 billion, because the government still has to buy the two aircraft once they are built. |
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Yes I mean how dare he try to save money?? I mean the outrage. Those savings will pay a substantial amount of the cost of the wall. The current Air force one is more than capable to carrying on for a few more years.
Thats Trump economics for you. |
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Turns out the CEO of Boeing mentioned that free trade is a crucial part of the Amercian economy in an article in the Chicago Tribune.
Trump didn't like that. 22 minutes after the article was published Trump tweeted about cancelling the contract. It's all over american media and social media. |
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Better not mention the cost of the F-35 aircraft which will probably escort AF1 to him.
What was it? About $1.5Tn? |
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