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Old 06-12-2016, 18:42
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A gay asylum seeker, whose life may well be in extreme danger if he is deported back to his native Uganda, has been refused asylum by the home office, and is due to be deported.

I don't usually sign the incessant Change.org petitions which are e mailed to me, as most of them are trivial and irritating. But this one got my atttention and I have signed it. I'm not asking anyone on here to sign it, by the way. The subject is merely offered up for discussion.

In case anybody thinks this is an anti muslim crusade, please know that Uganda is an 85% Christian country, so that isn't a consideration. But I do feel that the way Jimmy Kyesswa's application was disallowed, is a bit of a disgrace.

See what you think. Maybe I'm wrong.

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The UK government are about to deport Jimmy Kyesswa, a gay Ugandan man, back to his death.
A flight was booked for 5.25pm on Monday, 5 December 2016. An attempt was made to take him to the airport. Whilst on the road the guards received a number of telephone calls. There was some confusion and he was returned to Harmondsworth Immigration Removal Centre.

Another attempt to deport him could happen at any moment.

Jimmy was detained on 5 September 2016 when he went to sign at Dallas Court Immigration Reporting Centre, Manchester; even though he has an appointment previously given to him by the Home Office to bring further submissions for his case to Liverpool on 9 September. He had no time to exercise his right. He was then immediately detained and taken to Morton Hall Immigration Removal Centre in Lincolnshire. His solicitor made further representations, which were rejected by the Home Office.

Despite Jimmy being in a subsisting same sex relationship with his boyfriend, Cyrille, the Home Office has refused to accept that he is a gay man. Jimmy came to the UK in January 2005 after suffering mistreatment in Uganda based on his sexuality.

Jimmy had hot water poured on him after being discovered with a man. The situation in Uganda is well known where gay people face persecution on a daily basis, such as mob violence, imprisonment and even death.
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Old 06-12-2016, 18:50
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This has been ongoing for ages because I remember seeing this man (I mean his picture, not seeing/dating him) about 2 years ago. When I didn't hear any more I assumed he had been allowed to stay but why now being brought up for consideration again?
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Old 06-12-2016, 21:03
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I went through this with my own same sex partner who is also from a Muslim country a number of years ago. In the end he was granted asylum but it was a very tough experience so I really feel for both of them. The home office also initially refused to accept he was gay despite us being able to provide clear evidence we had been in a long term relationship and they were taking steps to deport him but we appealed through the immigration courts and luckily won our appeal.
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Old 06-12-2016, 21:07
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If we had everyone here who is in trouble we would have no money, housing or standard of life ourselves though. He could go to neighbouring or nearby safe places, there's a lot of countries between here and Uganda, why here?

.Should every other gay man in Uganda be allowed to come here too? if not why this guy? What about our gay homeless or people in shelters because as single men they don't get council housing when they lose their house because they lost their job etc..

It is an emotional case, but there will be potentially millions more people encouraged here if we make special cases. e.g. http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....faced-10444200
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Old 06-12-2016, 21:20
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Signed. Good luck Jimmy.
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Old 06-12-2016, 21:42
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Another

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/u...iend-deported/

another

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....faced-10444200

The issue is that unless you want to bring all gay Ugandan men here, then you've got to accept that the chances are they can live discreetly in Uganda or potentially apply to live anywhere they can legally.

Unfortunately we need to work to change the system in Uganda, we can't house everyone who claims asylum here after coming on a temporary student visa.
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Old 06-12-2016, 21:43
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Old 06-12-2016, 21:59
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If we had everyone here who is in trouble we would have no money, housing or standard of life ourselves though. He could go to neighbouring or nearby safe places, there's a lot of countries between here and Uganda, why here?

.Should every other gay man in Uganda be allowed to come here too? if not why this guy? What about our gay homeless or people in shelters because as single men they don't get council housing when they lose their house because they lost their job etc..

It is an emotional case, but there will be potentially millions more people encouraged here if we make special cases. e.g. http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....faced-10444200

He's in a relationship with a guy here in the UK. He has a reason to be in the UK.
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:01
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He's in a relationship with a guy here in the UK. He has a reason to be in the UK.
All gay students from Uganda are therefore allowed to come here after studies then?

The issue is immigration is out of control, every 3 years another million are coming to the UK and we can't keep up ourselves in our own housing, hospitals and standard of living. He knew he was only here temporarily and people can live in Uganda without being overtly gay, like many other countries who are homophobic it happens behind the scenes.

I've given you examples of 2 other Ugandan men in the same situation in the last month too, it is quite common for students to come here and not want to go back and to try and find any way to stay.
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:02
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i personally would need more information before signing the petition. It says he came here in 2005. How did he enter the country and did he apply for asylum straight away. Or is it a case of coming on a student or travel visa and overstaying and then when detected deciding to apply for asylum.
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:43
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:50
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Gay people can be persecuted in any country, even here. There are safe places and dangerous places all round the world

If it was up to me I would send him back, I'm not one for sob stories.
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:54
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I certainly feel for everyone in this situation, but rather than hold on to one emotional and well presented case through social media I'd rather we look at the issue as a whole.

The people posting pictures of him online are ultimately putting him in more risk for if and when he gets sent back in the coming days. The government knows that as long as he stays under the radar he's fine. In reality the chances of being killed for being gay are slim, many people in Uganda just keep it quiet and discreet.

Many students come to the UK and meet a boyfriend or girlfriend, but unfortunately that isn't enough to claim UK citizenship, he knew he was here short-term. If we don't send students back when their visa expires because they come up with reasons to try and stay then we're going to compound the immigration issue we already have.
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Old 06-12-2016, 23:38
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Agree with it or not, but homosexuality is illegal in Uganda and despite him knowing the law he decided to break it. Why should we have to take him in?
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Old 06-12-2016, 23:46
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No.

We have enough people on this island already.

Send him and all of the others back, or let some other country take them.
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Old 06-12-2016, 23:49
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Agree with it or not, but homosexuality is illegal in Uganda and despite him knowing the law he decided to break it. Why should we have to take him in?
Are you suggesting he should live a life of abstinence and celebacy in uganda???

Doesnt he deserve love???
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Old 07-12-2016, 00:38
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I'll admit it's a relatively unique case, but I'm torn between wanting to help and not wanting to encourage or help everyone in the same boat in Uganda who wants to come and stay in the UK to get away from issues there.
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Old 07-12-2016, 02:14
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It would be a very easy loophole to exploit if anyone claiming to be gay was automatically granted asylum.
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Old 07-12-2016, 03:28
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What happened in the decade between him arriving and signing on at the Immigration Centre?
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Old 07-12-2016, 03:47
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All gay students from Uganda are therefore allowed to come here after studies then?

The issue is immigration is out of control, every 3 years another million are coming to the UK and we can't keep up ourselves in our own housing, hospitals and standard of living. He knew he was only here temporarily and people can live in Uganda without being overtly gay, like many other countries who are homophobic it happens behind the scenes.

I've given you examples of 2 other Ugandan men in the same situation in the last month too, it is quite common for students to come here and not want to go back and to try and find any way to stay.
So just hide who you are and live in the shadows for the rest of your life. What a great solution.

Not.
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Old 07-12-2016, 04:50
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If you're looking for special treatment for him because he's gay then that isn't exactly an even break is it?
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Old 07-12-2016, 07:04
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So just hide who you are and live in the shadows for the rest of your life. What a great solution.

Not.
Is the solution to Uganda's law on homosexuality that the UK ought to take all their gay citizens in then?
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Old 07-12-2016, 07:56
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If you're looking for special treatment for him because he's gay then that isn't exactly an even break is it?
You don't quite grasp the concept of asylum, do you?
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:16
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A gay couple and us had a mutual friend, a lady from Uganda who has lived in the UK for nearly thirty years
She had no idea that the couple were gay, she simply assumed that the two men were living together. When she suddenly found out she started lecturing them, quoting the Bible and so on, and eventually she refused to have anything to do with them
We still see her but are not so friendly any more. If this is her attitude after so many years in the UK it must be awful for those still living over there
Good luck to this man, petition signed
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:36
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I hope this petition gets as many signatures as possible. The government might not know about his sexuality though. If they do and they're still prepared to send him back knowing what will happen to him, that is quite disgusting.
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