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Give this gay asylum seeker an even break
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jjwales
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“If we go soft and don't deport people who are here, many more will come though.

The lefties don't see the issue as they are comfortable. 1M new people come to the UK every 3 years it is becoming unsustainable, we've all seen the recent effect politically where a massive amount of the population want to see net migration down, rather than at record levels.”

Asylum seekers make up only a tiny proportion of immigrants, so they are not the problem. And it's not a question of us being "soft", but of simply following the international agreement on asylum that we have signed up to, along with many other countries.
calamity
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts:
“Gay people can be persecuted in any country, even here. There are safe places and dangerous places all round the world

If it was up to me I would send him back, I'm not one for sob stories.”

well as they say it opens the floodgates and how many might now pretend to be gay to stay.
zx50
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts:
“Gay people can be persecuted in any country, even here. There are safe places and dangerous places all round the world

If it was up to me I would send him back, I'm not one for sob stories.”

We don't kill people for homosexual acts/behaviour though. Uganda does.
calamity
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by zx50:
“We don't kill people for homosexual acts/behaviour though. Uganda does.”

No in Britain they were jailed and or given treatments to cure them. and not so long ago either. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...d-1308085.html
jjwales
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by calamity:
“well as they say it opens the floodgates and how many might now pretend to be gay to stay.”

Applying for asylum on these grounds is nothing new, so why it should it suddenly open the floodgates now?
Thine Wonk
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“Applying for asylum on these grounds is nothing new, so why it should it suddenly open the floodgates now?”

Now the home office policy is to send them back as there have been so few actual killings (I think 1 in 2012?) that it isn't a genuine asylum case, as people can live discreetly there.

Looking at other cases they have all been told that they should go back and live under the radar and that they don't meet the asylum rules to be given residence here.
blueblade
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by calamity:
“No in Britain they were jailed and or given treatments to cure them. and not so long ago either. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...d-1308085.html”

But that all went out nearly 50 years ago. So why bring it up in this thread?

Yes, it was utterly dreadful, but what earthly relevance does it have now?
Thine Wonk
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“But that all went out nearly 50 years ago. So why bring it up in this thread?

Yes, it was utterly dreadful, but what earthly relevance does it have now?”

None I'd say, other that hopefully things will improve globally.
blueblade
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“Now the home office policy is to send them back as there have been so few actual killings (I think 1 in 2012?) that it isn't a genuine asylum case, as people can live discreetly there.

Looking at other cases they have all been told that they should go back and live under the radar and that they don't meet the asylum rules to be given residence here.”

How do you know how many killings there have been? How the chuff would anybody know?
Thine Wonk
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“How do you know how many killings there have been? How the chuff would anybody know?”

Well there are public reports of all sorts of things, human rights organisations, watchdogs etc, generally these things are monitored and reported on. The home office presumably monitor the people they send back and research, as do other countries I'm sure.

We aren't the only country sending gay men back, Canada and others have to under similar circumstances.
RobinOfLoxley
07-12-2016
A simple Search may provide a hint of the atmosphere there https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ug...utf-8&oe=utf-8
Thine Wonk
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“A simple Search may provide a hint of the atmosphere there https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ug...utf-8&oe=utf-8”

1 very outspoken activist was killed in 2012, outside of that it seems to be quite rare as most of the men keep things very discreet.

I trust the home office to make the right decision, after all they are best placed to do it.
RobinOfLoxley
07-12-2016
Now this particular case has been 'Outed' with Worldwide Social chat and pictures, it would be irresponsible in the extreme to Deport
Jane Doh!
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by calamity:
“No in Britain they were jailed and or given treatments to cure them. and not so long ago either. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...d-1308085.html”

Executions were still happening in 1964 as well. That's not relevant to this thread either.
Thine Wonk
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“Now this particular case has been 'Outed' with Worldwide Social chat and pictures, it would be irresponsible in the extreme to Deport”

Indeed they have put him in harm, which was very, very silly.
academia
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“Asylum seekers make up only a tiny proportion of immigrants, so they are not the problem. And it's not a question of us being "soft", but of simply following the international agreement on asylum that we have signed up to, along with many other countries.”

we are applying intrrnational law - he was the one who broke it by staying on illegally. He discovered he needed asylum after years and years. His claim has been rejected. And that shoulx be the end of it.
RobinOfLoxley
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“Indeed they have put him in harm, which was very, very silly.”

Or maybe a clever tactic.

Since these cases come up (relatively) rarely compared to the possible Mass Flocking Migrations everyone agrees need some control, maybe we can show some Humanity from time-to-time.

Perhaps some cases could be a form of Reparation for our own Colonial Rule?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=br...utf-8&oe=utf-8
blueblade
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“Now this particular case has been 'Outed' with Worldwide Social chat and pictures, it would be irresponsible in the extreme to Deport”

I agree 100%.

Obviously many individuals do have to be deported, but there have to be humanitarian exceptions. This seems just such a case.
Thine Wonk
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“I agree 100%.

Obviously many individuals do have to be deported, but there have to be humanitarian exceptions. This seems just such a case.”

What about the other cases I posted on page 1? should all of them be able to stay too?

Isn't it better we leave it up to the home office and let them do what's best without petitions and appeals on individual cases?
max_garfield
07-12-2016
Oh sod it, I signed it! One more in this country won't hurt, plus this is life changing for him.

It's xmas too!
jjwales
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by academia:
“we are applying intrrnational law - he was the one who broke it by staying on illegally.”

Different laws.
DMN1968
07-12-2016
If he was that concerned about his safety, he should have done what the UN want and claim asylum in the first "safe" country he got to, rather than pass through half a dozen perfectly safe countries to the land of milk and honey that is Britain.

Like most, he is simply an economic migrant and now playing the card the liberal left will lap up.
RobinOfLoxley
07-12-2016
I imagine he would have taken a Flight direct from Kampala to Heathrow.

Not all Bongo-Bongo Savages need to walk and hitchhike.
HP.80 Victor
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“I imagine he would have taken a Flight direct from Kampala to Heathrow.

Not all Bongo-Bongo Savages need to walk and hitchhike.”

There are no direct flights from Kampala to the UK.
MARTYM8
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“Now this particular case has been 'Outed' with Worldwide Social chat and pictures, it would be irresponsible in the extreme to Deport”

Agreed.

But as a general principle we can't expect the UK to accommodate the tens of millions of gay men who live in countries where being gay is illegal. If there are exceptions it should be for the 10 nations where being gay means the death penalty - some of whom are close allies who we sell arms to such as Saudi Arabia or countries that are holding the 2022 football World Cup!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ff6d992bb7ba

If people want to campaign for something how about a boycott of British football teams competing in Qatar 2022 if they qualify of course!
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