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Give this gay asylum seeker an even break
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RobinOfLoxley
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by HP.80 Victor:
“There are no direct flights from Kampala to the UK.”

But did you you check if there weren't when he first arrived?
jjwales
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“Agreed.

But as a general principle we can't expect the UK to accommodate the tens of millions of gay men who live in countries where being gay is illegal.”

Well, no one would expect that. I don't know why it's always assumed that the UK is the only place where people come to claim asylum.
jjwales
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by DMN1968:
“If he was that concerned about his safety, he should have done what the UN want and claim asylum in the first "safe" country he got to, rather than pass through half a dozen perfectly safe countries to the land of milk and honey that is Britain.

Like most, he is simply an economic migrant”

Obviously you can't know that.
anne_666
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by DMN1968:
“If he was that concerned about his safety, he should have done what the UN want and claim asylum in the first "safe" country he got to, rather than pass through half a dozen perfectly safe countries to the land of milk and honey that is Britain.

Like most, he is simply an economic migrant and now playing the card the liberal left will lap up.”

No they don't which dismisses your convenient economic migrant label.
blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“Well there are public reports of all sorts of things, human rights organisations, watchdogs etc, generally these things are monitored and reported on. The home office presumably monitor the people they send back and research, as do other countries I'm sure.

We aren't the only country sending gay men back, Canada and others have to under similar circumstances.”

They can only approximate. As a matter of logic, nobody can really have any true idea. But the very fact that his life would potentially be in danger should be enough to waive the normal requirements in this case.

I wish I could find the link which outlined the inane questions which Jimmy had been asked by the Home Office, and the fact that he failed because he couldn't get the chronological order of his relationships right.

Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“What about the other cases I posted on page 1? should all of them be able to stay too?

Isn't it better we leave it up to the home office and let them do what's best without petitions and appeals on individual cases?”

Not on every occasion, no. The Home Office don't have some special monopoly on fair play and intellect. They consist of ordinary people like the rest of us, who are subject to error. If they make a bullshit decision, then there's absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be challenged.
jjwales
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“They can only approximate. As a matter of logic, nobody can really have any true idea. But the very fact that his life would potentially be in danger should be enough to waive the normal requirements in this case.

I wish I could find the link which outlined the inane questions which Jimmy had been asked by the Home Office, and the fact that he failed because he couldn't get the chronological order of his relationships right.”

Here it is:
https://www.change.org/p/hon-theresa...-jimmy-kyesswa

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“Not on every occasion, no. The Home Office don't have some special monopoly on fair play and intellect. They consist of ordinary people like the rest of us, who are subject to error. If they make a bullshit decision, then there's absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be challenged.”

Absolutely right.
academia
08-12-2016
I see he tried to date a woman in the UK. He's just another chancer trying to bend the rules and make fools of us.
blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“Here it is:
https://www.change.org/p/hon-theresa...-jimmy-kyesswa


Absolutely right.”

Cheers jj. Take a look at this, folks:-


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“Among the questions Jimmy was asked was:

Can you tell me the name of the first same-sex relationship partner, when you first met him date and year?

Can you tell me the second partner, date and year you first met him and what attracted you to him?

Can you tell me the names of same sex partners you have had in chronological order including date you first met, separated, and their date of birth?

Have you had any relationships in the UK?

Can you start to mention one by one how you met, when the relationships began, how it developed, how it ended, and their date of birth?

The Home Office dismissed Jimmy’s case because he couldn’t name his partners in a chronological order and he didn’t know their birthday dates.
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It is most unfair to expect exact accuracy with those very prescriptive and quantitative questions.

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“The Home Office did not find Jimmy’s claim of anti-gay bigots’ poured hot water on him plausible. The HO expected Jimmy to have reported them to the police, in a country where police exacerbate state authorized homophobia, where one can go to jail for being gay. Of course Jimmy did not report the incident and so the officer at the Home Office in the UK refused to believe his story, asserting it did not happen.
“You stated that these individuals poured boiling water onto your right hip burning you (AIR,79,82-83). You were asked if you had reported the incident to the police, you were unable to give a reasonable explanation and stated – I did not because I thought, they may have asked me what happened””

It's difficult to comprehend that Home Office officials can be so brain numbingly stupid, unless they were deliberately looking for an excuse to stop his application being successful.

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“It is believed that he is not gay enough to qualify for protection.”

Jesus Christ !

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“The UK Government says, “We don’t deport LGBT asylum seekers and we never will”.”

Yeah right.
blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by academia:
“I see he tried to date a woman in the UK. He's just another chancer trying to bend the rules and make fools of us.”

"date" a woman? It is possible for gay people to be totally friendly with a member of the opposite sex, emotionally close even, without either of them wishing to have sex with the other.
Jane Doh!
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“"date" a woman? It is possible for gay people to be totally friendly with a member of the opposite sex, emotionally close even, without either of them wishing to have sex with the other.”

If you try to date a woman, it means you're sexually attracted to them.
calamity
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jane Doh!:
“If you try to date a woman, it means you're sexually attracted to them.”

You would think so.... and how many will use this to get into the UK, Im fed up with our soft touch approach , I was at a PIP assessment with a friend who is very ill, and guess what, the place was full of immigrants who had translators with them, , Id say75% of the people in the waiting area were all foreign, so they know the ropes better than we do.
academia
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jane Doh!:
“If you try to date a woman, it means you're sexually attracted to them.”

EXactly.
jjwales
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by calamity:
“You would think so.... and how many will use this to get into the UK, Im fed up with our soft touch approach , I was at a PIP assessment with a friend who is very ill, and guess what, the place was full of immigrants who had translators with them, , Id say75% of the people in the waiting area were all foreign, so they know the ropes better than we do.”

One problem with this theory. Foreigners wouldn't be eligible for PIP.
intoxication
08-12-2016
But why is this still going on for? As I said on the first page as soon as I saw his picture I recognised it because this has been in the news before and I have read this petition before. Even the link provided on page 4 is from 2014. So from 2014 to now coming up to the end of 2016 what has been going on?
blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jane Doh!:
“If you try to date a woman, it means you're sexually attracted to them.”

Well surely that depends on how you define "date", or possibly how you interpret the terminology the Home Office might have misleadingly applied to a simple attempt at friendship.

If I ask a mate out for a pint, it doesn't mean I'm "dating" him in the accepted sense of the expression.
Jane Doh!
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Well surely that depends on how you define "date", or possibly how you interpret the terminology the Home Office might have misleadingly applied to a simple attempt at friendship.

If I ask a mate out for a pint, it doesn't mean I'm "dating" him in the accepted sense of the expression.”

The person who wrote the petition used the word "date", not the Home Office. I have no idea if he did try to date a woman or why he might have done so. But there is a clear difference between a date and meeting for a drink.
RobinOfLoxley
08-12-2016
Even if he did ask a woman for a date, do Bisexuals get better treatment in Uganda?
Jane Doh!
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“Even if he did ask a woman for a date, do Bisexuals get better treatment in Uganda?”

I doubt it.
Armi
08-12-2016
Clutching at straws.

Just stick him on the plane.
Fairyprincess0
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jane Doh!:
“If you try to date a woman, it means you're sexually attracted to them.”

I used to date, and live with, a woman and im not attracted to them.....
Jane Doh!
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by Fairyprincess0:
“I used to date, and live with, a woman and im not attracted to them.....”

Why date them, if you don't mind me asking?
Pink_Smurf
09-12-2016
People do lie to claim asylum here and friends help them do it. Some people use others for a relationship / marriage so that they can stay here. Not only that we are a small island and we can't take everyone who wishes to come and live here. We already have housing problems for the people already here. I won't be signing.
Fairyprincess0
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jane Doh!:
“Why date them, if you don't mind me asking?”

My mam and dad had just split up. My mother can be extreme at the best of times. I suppose, i covinced myself i was attracted to her because, subconsciously, i wanted get out of the house.

My brother also had an ill-concived realtionship for the same reasons.

It was a disaster from the get-go. I spent a year and a half, fruitlessy, trying to get an erection for the girl. I completed sex twice in all that time.

To be fair, i think lots of people who are LGBT find themselves in straight realtionships. Just to 'make sure'....
jjwales
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts:
“Gay people can be persecuted in any country, even here. There are safe places and dangerous places all round the world”

Indeed. Uganda is a dangerous place. The UK is relatively safe.

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“If it was up to me I would send him back, I'm not one for sob stories.”

What makes you so sure it's not a genuine case rather than just a "sob story"?
Ben_Copland
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“Indeed. Uganda is a dangerous place. The UK is relatively safe.



What makes you so sure it's not a genuine case rather than just a "sob story"?”

A sob story isn't necessarily untrue.
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