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Old 07-12-2016, 12:36
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No, it's a buzzword and quit trying to mansplain to me it's not.
Oh I see, apologies, I didn't know you didn't know what it meant.
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Old 07-12-2016, 12:38
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I'm neither disgruntled nor a feminist.

No doubt someone will pipe up with the usual Feminazi and miss the irony of that buzzword.
No you'd be a feminist sympathiser.....maybe a white knight or a mangina?
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Old 07-12-2016, 12:38
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No you'd be a feminist sympathiser.....maybe a white knight or a mangina?
Nah, just some bloke on a message board.
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Old 07-12-2016, 12:39
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Nah, just some bloke on a message board.
You're a cuck, whatever that is.
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Old 07-12-2016, 12:54
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Nah, just some bloke on a message board.
I was supposed to be a joke..... You angry man hating feminists just don't have a sense of humour..
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Old 07-12-2016, 12:54
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You're a cuck, whatever that is.
Someone who prepares food!
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Old 07-12-2016, 13:04
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This thread is making me very mangry
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Old 07-12-2016, 13:07
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This thread is making me very mangry
Man down, TH.
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Old 07-12-2016, 14:17
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Of course it was politically motivated. However I think its somewhat different for a layman to post a politically motivated statement, than it is for an expert who some people will take as fact simply because of their status
Well firstly I disagree that Beard was in any way politically motivated in what she said, I saw nothing political in her tweets, she's simply sticking up for her subject. And whilst Arron Banks id a layman, this isn't just any guy who spouted something on twitter, he's an important UKIP donor who was using the example of the Roman Empire to have a pop at immigration as it stands today. And many people will take what he says as fact simply by virtue of who he is. He also stated it as bald fact and many people might not realise that he was a layman given the way he made his assertions.

First, why do you think his opinion was baseless. Do you think the barbarian migrations didn't play a role in the fall of the western empire? That's pretty far fetched IMO. The last book I read on the subject put it as one of the primary causes.

Second, you miss the point I was making. Beard has every right to disagree with banks, it's the way she went about it which I object to. She made no effort to debate the facts, no counter arguments, no "you should try reading the latest research by x who demonstrated that x was the cause of the fall of the western empire". Nope none of that. Just I'm right and your wrong. That's not rational debate, it's just appeal to authority, a blatant logical fallacy.
It was baseless because he had no sound reasoning for it. His argument was based on something he might have remembered from a teacher over 30 years ago who may have gone to Cambridge and studied classics. And the barbarian migrations were not immigration in the sense that we understand it either. He also claimed that it was the only cause of the collapse which of course isn't even remotely true.

And why should Beard engage with him? Banks wasn't trying to start a debate, he was stating bald and incorrect facts. If he wanted to debate or start a discussion that's what he would have done but he first of all tried to defend himself and then backed down when faced with someone with much more expertise. That's not someone who either wants or who you can engage with properly so why should Beard waste her time other than to say that he's wrong? And twitter isn't exactly the best place for any of that anyway.

Of course it's complicated, and I'm more than happy for beard to disagree,its the way she went about it that I think was wrong.

Anyway, I've spent enough of my time defending someone I think is a bit of a part, against someone I respect, so I'll bow out now.
Fair enough although I think she did the right thing.
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Old 07-12-2016, 14:32
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But it's not an idiotic buzzword, it's a word which describes a specific thing concisely.
No it's a sexist buzzword designed to shut people up and shut down conversation on the sole basis of someone's gender.
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:30
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I hate it when I hear femwhining and fewwittering historians
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:47
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I hate it when I hear femwhining and fewwittering historians
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Are you fem-shaming? You sjw, you!!
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:53
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Personally, I wouldn't dare offer an opinion on the fall of the Roman Empire to Mary Beard. The risk of making an utter fool of yourself is quite high. I'd enjoy her femsplaining it to me though.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:00
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I hate it when I hear femwhining and fewwittering historians
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Are you fem-shaming? You sjw, you!!
It appears he's not only "fem-shaming" but "few-shaming" too.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:06
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It appears he's not only "fem-shaming" but "few-shaming" too.
And beard-shaming?
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:34
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Indeed.
Bigotry is rife
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Old 08-12-2016, 11:25
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No it's a sexist buzzword designed to shut people up and shut down conversation on the sole basis of someone's gender.
Indeed, and “mansplain” is completely misused in the context even within the confines of it's own ridiculousness, since ‘history’ is not a subject that someone of a particular gender is predisposed to having better knowledge about anyway...

I quite like this vid showing the hypocrisy of it. It’s a bit long with a lot of lead in, but makes the point well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKAgYvPDxO4
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