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No, you dishonestly inserted "well" before below and then presented that as an example of my logic.
I said above and you said "well below" and presented it as my logic. I apologised when I made an error in omitting Russia. I suggest you do the same. |
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"You people"??? What sort of "people" or "person" am I??
Remoaner for short. |
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What do the Brexiters think about Liam Fox quietly stabbing you in the back about setting our own trade conditions..?
http://politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/12/...the-brexit-lie |
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Remainers seem to think we can honour the referendum result yet still opt to remain members of the single market.
I have to tell them that this prospect seems highly unlikely given the stance of the EU that single market membership = 4 freedoms being retained. Whatever you think people voted for, a majorty vote to leave the EU surely means that those voting have demanded an end to 1, 2, 3 or all 4 of those freedoms. Without all 4 being honoured, we are out of the SM. Haven't they said that we can't cherry-pick? The only chance of being in the SM is if the EU do a U-turn and give us our cake (cherry cake, anybody?). So tell me, remainers, how the referendum result can be honoured AND we stay in the SM?? It should now be up to parliament (both chambers) to decide which particular Brexit option is most suitable for the United Kingdom. |
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No, the UK voted to leave the European Union in June's referendum and that was the only option on the ballot paper. Mob rule Brexit extremists are now trying to pretend that their extreme option of total disengagement and economic destruction is the only choice when that is quite clearly a falsehood.
It should now be up to parliament (both chambers) to decide which particular Brexit option is most suitable for the United Kingdom. Too many posts imagining that we will be in a position to negotiate anything once we reject that. |
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Given that one of the most prominent reasons for leaving was to control immigration, I can see little available once we reject freedom of movement.
Too many posts imagining that we will be in a position to negotiate anything once we reject that. |
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I voted in that referendum and there was zero reference to freedom of movement on that ballot paper. I don't care why voters chose to vote Leave but their unrealistic and hardline projections should not be allowed to prevail because it's parliament's job now to decide the best way forward.
You remind me of a saying: the eyes won't see what the mind cannot accept. |
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A Visa is going to cost you £10-20 which is a tiny fraction of what you will be spending on your trip.
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Imports from the EU which will increase in price will be balanced by low prices from non-EU countries who we will be free to trade with.
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I voted in that referendum and there was zero reference to freedom of movement on that ballot paper. I don't care why voters chose to vote Leave but their unrealistic and hardline projections should not be allowed to prevail because it's parliament's job now to decide the best way forward.
How would that go down in Lincolnshire? |
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Do you think that the majority of Brexiteers would feel their wishes had been met if freedom of movement continued?
How would that go down in Lincolnshire? Remember freedom of movement works both ways. What about all of the British people who will lose their rights? |
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There was also zero mention of potential immigration controls, sovereignty, justice, and the economy. However, everyone with more than one brain cell knows that Brexit meant curbing mass uncontrolled immigration and giving British judges the final say in legal cases.
You remind me of a saying: the eyes won't see what the mind cannot accept. |
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The people of Lincolnshire might care if their farms and food processing businesses close down due to not being able to get enough staff. How high an unemployment rate would they think is a price worth paying?
Remember freedom of movement works both ways. What about all of the British people who will lose their rights? A vote for NewLabour in 97 was a vote for a moratorium on road building, many workers lost their jobs due to that vote, that is the nature of a democratic vote. What about the rights of FOM for British workers, the same solution as the road workers in 97, live with it, diversify, retrain or go under. |
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FOM is a particular bugbear for some who voted.
We need a consensus which works for everyone not just a hard core minority. |
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I voted in that referendum and there was zero reference to freedom of movement on that ballot paper. I don't care why voters chose to vote Leave but their unrealistic and hardline projections should not be allowed to prevail because it's parliament's job now to decide the best way forward.
The best way forward is to implement Brexit - and then during post leaving negotiations, attempt to agree a mutually beneficial ensuing trade agreement - WITHOUT compromising the literal principle of Brexit - and thereby regaining full UK Parliamentary legislative authority. There are about 60 countries that have access to the Single Market - most of whom do not allow the EU ANY control over their own affairs. |
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The people of Lincolnshire might care if their farms and food processing businesses close down due to not being able to get enough staff. How high an unemployment rate would they think is a price worth paying?
Remember freedom of movement works both ways. What about all of the British people who will lose their rights? |
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I'm sure it was a big issue for "some" but by no means a majority.
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There was also zero mention of potential immigration controls, sovereignty, justice, and the economy. However, everyone with more than one brain cell knows that Brexit meant curbing mass uncontrolled immigration and giving British judges the final say in legal cases.
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No, you're wrong. There is no guarantee that Brexit will curb immigration. (We don't currently have "mass uncontrolled immigration".) And British judges generally do have the final say in legal cases - it's true that UK governments can be overruled by the European Court of Justice, but that doesn't happen very often.
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The government is understood to be considering changing immigration rules to allow farms to recruit non-EU workers to make up the shortfall.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...kers-j70jjhjdbSo instead of fruit pickers from Romania they will be from Pakistan. It was inevitable that this would happen. Did people really think that the long term unemployed in the North East and South Wales would move to places like Boston in order to work on farms and in food processing factories? |
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It is reported that farms are already struggling to recruit enough people so...
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...kers-j70jjhjdb So instead of fruit pickers from Romania they will be from Pakistan. It was inevitable that this would happen. Did people really think that the long term unemployed in the North East and South Wales would move to places like Boston in order to work on farms and in food processing factories? |
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I said months ago in Boston rather than the Catholic Church being full there is going to be demands for a Mosque. Be careful what you wish for is a pertinent motto.
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If people don't like immigrants they are going to be unhappy wherever they come from.
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It is reported that farms are already struggling to recruit enough people so...
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...kers-j70jjhjdb So instead of fruit pickers from Romania they will be from Pakistan. It was inevitable that this would happen. Did people really think that the long term unemployed in the North East and South Wales would move to places like Boston in order to work on farms and in food processing factories? |
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And how will they be hired? Fruit picking is a skill, but it won't pay enough to qualify for a visa - unless there is some exemption on pay, will there be arrangements for them to be strictly monitored to ensure they don't do a runner?
The issue according to my Dad for these immigrants us the devaluation of pound. They are not earning enough due to exchange rate. So he was told at Golf Club. |
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There was also zero mention of potential immigration controls, sovereignty, justice, and the economy. However, everyone with more than one brain cell knows that Brexit meant curbing mass uncontrolled immigration and giving British judges the final say in legal cases.
You remind me of a saying: the eyes won't see what the mind cannot accept. We had already witnessed Cameron attempt at staying in with conditions attached...He was laughed out of the building. This is a still the case |
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And how will they be hired? Fruit picking is a skill, but it won't pay enough to qualify for a visa - unless there is some exemption on pay, will there be arrangements for them to be strictly monitored to ensure they don't do a runner?
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Hmm.... Knowing Boston as I do believe me white people speaking a foreign language is bad enough but the alternative will be seen as worse. They want the jobs and immigrants gone.
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