If you still call that being deliberately dishonest when I have said that it wasn't then shame on you.

I apologised when I made an error in omitting Russia. I suggest you do the same.

A Remainer who won't stop moaning.
Remoaner for short.

What do the Brexiters think about Liam Fox quietly stabbing you in the back about setting our own trade conditions..?

http://politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/12/...the-brexit-lie

No, the UK voted to leave the European Union in June's referendum and that was the only option on the ballot paper. Mob rule Brexit extremists are now trying to pretend that their extreme option of total disengagement and economic destruction is the only choice when that is quite clearly a falsehood.

It should now be up to parliament (both chambers) to decide which particular Brexit option is most suitable for the United Kingdom.

Given that one of the most prominent reasons for leaving was to control immigration, I can see little available once we reject freedom of movement.
Too many posts imagining that we will be in a position to negotiate anything once we reject that.

I voted in that referendum and there was zero reference to freedom of movement on that ballot paper. I don't care why voters chose to vote Leave but their unrealistic and hardline projections should not be allowed to prevail because it's parliament's job now to decide the best way forward.

There was also zero mention of potential immigration controls, sovereignty, justice, and the economy. However, everyone with more than one brain cell knows that Brexit meant curbing mass uncontrolled immigration and giving British judges the final say in legal cases.

You remind me of a saying: the eyes won't see what the mind cannot accept.

I'd rather spend that £10-20 on a meal. What is the advantage to me in having to apply for a visa?


Alternatively, prices of all imports could rise due to a weaker . Is increased trade with Peru and Zambia really going to compensate for lost business with Germany and Italy?

Do you think that the majority of Brexiteers would feel their wishes had been met if freedom of movement continued?
How would that go down in Lincolnshire?

The people of Lincolnshire might care if their farms and food processing businesses close down due to not being able to get enough staff. How high an unemployment rate would they think is a price worth paying?

Remember freedom of movement works both ways. What about all of the British people who will lose their rights?

No, all you are doing is projecting your own particularly wishes for Brexit following the referendum vote and those projections of yours are entirely your own. It will be up to MPs and peers to decide what actually happens. By all means lobby them but that doesn't mean that they will ever agree with your narrow viewpoint and interpretation.

FOM is a particular bugbear for some who voted. It is always the case that a wish gained in one direction is a wish lost in another. This is what is weighed in the balance.
A vote for NewLabour in 97 was a vote for a moratorium on road building, many workers lost their jobs due to that vote, that is the nature of a democratic vote. What about the rights of FOM for British workers, the same solution as the road workers in 97, live with it, diversify, retrain or go under.

I'm sure it was a big issue for "some" but by no means a majority.

We need a consensus which works for everyone not just a hard core minority.

There didn't have to be. Brexit literally means leaving the EU - and regaining UK Parliamentary legislative authority , i.e no longer enabling EU legislative control over the UK - which means NOT having to ridiculously cede responsible control of UK borders wrt to would be EU immigrants.

The best way forward is to implement Brexit - and then during post leaving negotiations, attempt to agree a mutually beneficial ensuing trade agreement - WITHOUT compromising the literal principle of Brexit - and thereby regaining full UK Parliamentary legislative authority.

There are about 60 countries that have access to the Single Market - most of whom do not allow the EU ANY control over their own affairs.

Having grown up on Boston it has an increasingly elderly and / or low aspiration population. Anyone with aspiration is educated and moves away. My Dad at 88 and one cousin remain. Everyone has gone including my cousin's two boys. The original population just want the immigrants gone and don't care about loss of jobs. They are either pensioners or don't want the jobs. Boston families who for generations did the land work prefer to claim benefit. They are better off.

You clearly have misread the mood of the nation.
Again.

No, you're wrong. There is no guarantee that Brexit will curb immigration. (We don't currently have "mass uncontrolled immigration".) And British judges generally do have the final say in legal cases - it's true that UK governments can be overruled by the European Court of Justice, but that doesn't happen very often.

It is reported that farms are already struggling to recruit enough people so...


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...kers-j70jjhjdb

So instead of fruit pickers from Romania they will be from Pakistan. It was inevitable that this would happen. Did people really think that the long term unemployed in the North East and South Wales would move to places like Boston in order to work on farms and in food processing factories?

I said months ago in Boston rather than the Catholic Church being full there is going to be demands for a Mosque. Be careful what you wish for is a pertinent motto.

If people don't like immigrants they are going to be unhappy wherever they come from.

Hmm.... Knowing Boston as I do believe me white people speaking a foreign language is bad enough but the alternative will be seen as worse. They want the jobs and immigrants gone.

And how will they be hired? Fruit picking is a skill, but it won't pay enough to qualify for a visa - unless there is some exemption on pay, will there be arrangements for them to be strictly monitored to ensure they don't do a runner?

The big employer and where there had been a massive explosion of jobs in Fenland is food prepack. Hardly any food is bought these days loose including vegetables. It's not skilled. Sort of job you'd do as student to earn money with little or no training.

The issue according to my Dad for these immigrants us the devaluation of pound. They are not earning enough due to exchange rate. So he was told at Golf Club.

Indeed
We had already witnessed Cameron attempt at staying in with conditions attached...He was laughed out of the building. This is a still the case

Simple. The industry says to the government that they will go out of business unless they get an exception from the visa rules. The government agrees. Surely that is what "taking back control" is all about.


Which party is proposing deporting immigrants who have previously been here legally? Even UKIP aren't saying that.