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Having grown up on Boston it has an increasingly elderly and / or low aspiration population. Anyone with aspiration is educated and moves away. My Dad at 88 and one cousin remain. Everyone has gone including my cousin's two boys. The original population just want the immigrants gone and don't care about loss of jobs. They are either pensioners or don't want the jobs. Boston families who for generations did the land work prefer to claim benefit. They are better off.
The food processors in the Boston/South Holland and other areas, area have, to a large degree, engineered the situation that now exists |
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#152 |
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No, you're wrong. There is no guarantee that Brexit will curb immigration. (We don't currently have "mass uncontrolled immigration".) And British judges generally do have the final say in legal cases - it's true that UK governments can be overruled by the European Court of Justice, but that doesn't happen very often.
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The big employer and where there had been a massive explosion of jobs in Fenland is food prepack. Hardly any food is bought these days loose including vegetables. It's not skilled. Sort of job you'd do as student to earn money with little or no training.
The issue according to my Dad for these immigrants us the devaluation of pound. They are not earning enough due to exchange rate. So he was told at Golf Club. |
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Simple. The industry says to the government that they will go out of business unless they get an exception from the visa rules. The government agrees. Surely that is what "taking back control" is all about.
Which party is proposing deporting immigrants who have previously been here legally? Even UKIP aren't saying that. |
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And where those prepacks contain prepared veg/fruit, they are a substantial cause of food poisoning; their days may be numbered.
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I said months ago in Boston rather than the Catholic Church being full there is going to be demands for a Mosque. Be careful what you wish for is a pertinent motto.
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I was born near what is now Heathrow, hardly comparable to Boston, yet it is difficult to find many people from any generation, still living there today.
The food processors in the Boston/South Holland and other areas, area have, to a large degree, engineered the situation that now exists Boston is predominantly a low skill / low pay area. The farmers need labour and they can't get anywhere near enough Brits to do the jobs. |
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I agree about taking back control but the reality of what you are saying is that the vast majority of the immigrants coming in now will still come. Do you really think that those who voted on immigration did so just for a new scheme to be introduced but almost the same numbers of folks coming in. You only have to read on here. As for my Boston comment I'm only giving the prevailing view. Again not what was offered but many want it!
There is an irony that people from the Boston area were among the earliest settlers in the New World who left to escape religious intolerance and help found one of the great immigrant cities in the US called...er... Boston. |
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Many in Boston may want them to "go back to where they came from" but they may as well rename the town Cloud Cookoo Land if they expect it to happen. Farmers aren't going to start paying £25k a year to agricultural labourers as it would just make their products too expensive against cheap foreign imports.
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The big employer and where there had been a massive explosion of jobs in Fenland is food prepack. Hardly any food is bought these days loose including vegetables. It's not skilled. Sort of job you'd do as student to earn money with little or no training.
The issue according to my Dad for these immigrants us the devaluation of pound. They are not earning enough due to exchange rate. So he was told at Golf Club. Packing isn't a skill, picking fruit etc is. And these jobs aren't done by students any more, they are done by parents, young adults - not mainly students. And it sill doesn't address that if people were to be brought in from abroad to do these jobs, they'd surely need a special dispensation or visa. Just like the 'seperate but equal' status for EU citizens post-Brexit, they'll have a different status. |
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I'm sure it was a big issue for "some" but by no means a majority.
We need a consensus which works for everyone not just a hard core minority. |
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I thought the people of Boston voted out precisely so their Darrens and Waynes could go and toil in the fields every day instead of those nasty immigrants who were taking their jobs.
You mean they actually did it out of sympathy for Jacob Rees Mogg's sense of diminished power as an MP? |
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I thought the people of Boston voted out precisely so their Darrens and Waynes could go and toil in the fields every day instead of those nasty immigrants who were taking their jobs.
You mean they actually did it out of sympathy for Jacob Rees Mogg's sense of diminished power as an MP? |
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EU agricultural policy tends to make it difficult to import the cheap foreign produce the same as that which can be grown in the EU. It isn't nearly as much the farmers who wanted this situation but the ever pushing, merciless supermarkets.
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The point being if the costs of farming and food processing goes up in the UK they will be unable to compete against suppliers within the EU who will have the advantage of CAP subsidies and freedom of movement. It's just to be seen what UK government agriculture subsidy policy will be after a EU exit but it could be hard to justify spending even more taxpayers money on an industry which is a relatively small part of the economy (and wasn't the money going to the NHS anyway?)
Farmers and food processors don't give two shytes when buying a piece of equipment that will put people out of work. South Lincolnshire is a good case in point when you do some genealogy work and find out that the 19thC bulb industry was heavily reliant on Labour imported from other rural areas where the agricultural revolution had put thousands on a course to near starvation; many came from neighbouring counties. |
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Nah, they did it to give you reasons to write posts like the above.
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Being in the customs union, as we are now, severely restricts our chances of doing deals outside the EU. Once free, we can do any deal we want and this will allow for cheaper imports. Remember that the EU is, over and above all, a huge protectionist organisation that is dedicated to keeping prices up for the benefit of big businesses at the expense of its consumers. This is why big business is so in favour of the UK staying in the EU. It's not for consumer benefit reasons.
Jesus Christ. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but that link which you were given but have obviously not bothered looking at would have told you that Liam Fox has already shattered this little fantasy of yours. |
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South Lincolnshire is a good case in point when you do some genealogy work and find out that the 19thC bulb industry was heavily reliant on Labour imported from other rural areas where the agricultural revolution had put thousands on a course to near starvation; many came from neighbouring counties.
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David Cameron said a vote to leave the EU, was a vote to leave the Single Market George Osborne said a vote to leave the EU, was a vote to leave the Single Market I voted to remain. I knew that a vote to leave the EU, was a vote to leave the Single Market. But since becoming prime minister Theresa May has not yet said that a vote to leave the EU is also a vote to leave the Single Market. I have never claimed that a vote to leave the EU is a vote to leave the Single Market. I am happy to live with your suggestion that as I am remoaner, I claimed otherwise. I do recommend that you direct your commentary to Mrs May who is unable to confirm that a vote to leave the EU is a vote to leave the Single Market. Can I leave that point for Single Market discussion for 'leave' voters and the prime minister, please ? I voted to 'remain', so I am now out of the decision making process. |
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And where those prepacks contain prepared veg/fruit, they are a substantial cause of food poisoning; their days may be numbered.
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