DS Forums

 
 

Twenty reasons why Brexit will be even trickier than we thought


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-12-2016, 21:18
TheEngineer
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,518

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...han-we-thought

Such as:

The government is pretending bad news doesn’t exist
Directors of trade bodies – many of them facing economic and regulatory disaster – went in to brief David Davis when he was made Brexit secretary. But before they got to his office they were taken to one side by civil servants and advised to go in saying Brexit was full of “opportunities”. Anyone who didn’t tended to be asked to leave after five minutes.
There are no rules for what Britain is doing because no one has been stupid enough to try it
If Britain does pursue a hard Brexit, things get murky. There are no rules on how an existing WTO member leaves a customs union, because no one has ever been crazy enough to try it. Lawyers at the organisation are trying to sort out how this works and what the process will be.
The UK steel industry could collapse overnight
There’s an EU agreement at the WTO preventing China from dumping cheap steel in Europe. Without it, plants such as Port Talbot would collapse as Chinese product flooded the market. When Britain leaves the EU, it will claim that it is still a signatory to this agreement and the Chinese will object. This dispute is likely to last for years. If Britain loses, it will likely lose its domestic steel industry.
Britain may be about to adopt lower US standards on … everything
The Americans have lower consumer standards than Europe on pretty much everything, from chemical safety to data protection. A bilateral trade deal will see them demand we lower our standards so their products can enter our market more freely. Given how desperate we’ll be, we’re likely to comply.
TheEngineer is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 06-12-2016, 21:25
shaddler
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Station Eleven
Posts: 3,472
Thank you for your tireless work.
shaddler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2016, 21:37
Aye Up
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: North West
Posts: 4,881
Can you give 20 reasons for posting the same kinda stuff over and over again?

Most of it without substance.......



Yeah thought not.
Aye Up is offline Follow this poster on Twitter   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2016, 22:30
TheEngineer
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,518
Can you give 20 reasons for posting the same kinda stuff over and over again?

Most of it without substance.......



Yeah thought not.
Can you tell us why the article is wrong?

Yeah thought not.
TheEngineer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2016, 22:34
HopesandDreams
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 713
Can you tell us why the article is wrong?

Yeah thought not.
I can do it in 1.

1. We voted to leave, and we are.
HopesandDreams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2016, 22:38
TheEngineer
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,518
I can do it in 1.

1. We voted to leave, and we are.
You failed to answer any of the issues raised in the article.

But to be fair that seems to be pretty much par for Brexit supporters. No answers, just insults, deflection and flag waving.
TheEngineer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2016, 22:41
HopesandDreams
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 713
You failed to answer any of the issues raised in the article.

But to be fair that seems to be pretty much par for Brexit supporters. No answers, just insults, deflection and flag waving.
I didn't fail at all, the answers to the usual scare blurb is contained in the other million threads you have started on the same subject. Tedious at best, desperate at worst, still if it make you happy. Off to wave my flag again.
HopesandDreams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2016, 22:47
trunkster
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,948
I didn't fail at all, the answers to the usual scare blurb is contained in the other million threads you have started on the same subject. Tedious at best, desperate at worst, still if it make you happy. Off to wave my flag again.
Tedious is a bit of an understatement.
trunkster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2016, 22:47
TheEngineer
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,518
I didn't fail at all, the answers to the usual scare blurb is contained in the other million threads you have started on the same subject. Tedious at best, desperate at worst, still if it make you happy. Off to wave my flag again.
Again, no answers to any of the points raised in the article. If the answers are in the other threads then I am sure you can provide them easily.
TheEngineer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2016, 22:55
HopesandDreams
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 713
Again, no answers to any of the points raised in the article. If the answers are in the other threads then I am sure you can provide them easily.
Yes I could, but I don't have to, but you can knock yourself out if you like, and answer your own questions. Have a good evening.
HopesandDreams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2016, 22:57
GTR Davo
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,749
Does anyone honestly think there will even be a brexit? with all this fighting against it and the sheer scale of what is needed to remove this cancer that is the EU?
GTR Davo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2016, 23:08
TheEngineer
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,518
Yes I could, but I don't have to, but you can knock yourself out if you like, and answer your own questions. Have a good evening.
So in other words the answers are not in the other threads and as usual the Brexit supporters have no answers. Go on, just one of the 20 points raised, to start with, you can choose.
TheEngineer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2016, 23:25
bass55
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: London
Posts: 9,403
Hysterical rubbish from the Guardian.

Until now I've really disliked the term 'Remoaner' but it's starting to grow on me with these daily rantings from the pro-EU lobby.
bass55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 00:12
DaveBradshaw_7
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 35
Such a shame all this Guardian-quoting and general foot soldiering is essentially anonymous, else he'd doubtless have qualified for some kind of Euro Légion d'honneur by now.

Still, hopefully enough for a grateful au revoir as we leave, lol ...
DaveBradshaw_7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 02:01
Mr Oleo Strut
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 2,307
So in other words the answers are not in the other threads and as usual the Brexit supporters have no answers. Go on, just one of the 20 points raised, to start with, you can choose.
The brighter the spotlight shines on Brexit the more it becomes glaringly obvious that Brexit is naked of logic, reason and common sense. Its as simple as that.
Mr Oleo Strut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 04:24
rusty123
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 20,693
I don't get the point being made about the UK steel industry.

We've been in the EU for decades. The UK steel industry has done nothing but steadily decline throughout that period. The EU isn't exactly renowned for reacting quickly to events.
To paraphrase the old saying, the horse hasn't merely bolted but probably lived out the rest of its life and died of old age before the EU will come to a collective stable door shutting agreement and I've lost count of how many times I've heard that EU rules prevent state intervention when industries are struggling.

I also don't like the point about being the first nation to jump ship because the rules aren't clear. Growing numbers of people across Europe believe the ship is taking on water and in drastic need of repair. The EU institution doesn't. It has the arrogance of the captain of the Costa Concordia, hence why the established order is coming under threat from the extreme wings of the political spectrum right across the region.

The two main contenders for next years French elections are the far right and the "sorry I can't quite tell who that is because they're stood so far out to the right"

The Italians are becoming increasingly twitchy about the Euro and their banking system is apparently on the verge of a meltdown.

Internal borders are going up

The EU's response to those observations makes the chilled Jamaican on the beach stereotype look positively anxious by comparison.

Whether jumping ship proves to be the right or wrong move remains to be seen. Personally I think we've probably jumped ship a wee bit too early and that the captains of said ship will eventually realise that they've got to change course - but I don't blame people for being sick of waiting and saying enough is enough and even though I voted to stay onboard and wait it out, now the decision is made i'm all for getting on that lifeboat and putting a bit of water between us and a possible rush.
rusty123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 08:46
Thor_Noggsson
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 348
Can you tell us why the article is wrong?

Yeah thought not.
I could be right but on the other hand it could be wrong since the whole article is 99% conjecture and assumes worst case conditions for Britain on everything which is unlikely to be the case.
Thor_Noggsson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 09:00
Staunchy
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 9,779
The Guardian is slowly becoming as clickbait ly as Buzzfeed, by this time next year it will be: TWENTY REASONS WHY BREXIT WILL BE EVEN TRICKIER THAN WE THOUGHT AND WILL BLOW YOUR MIND.
Staunchy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 09:12
RecordPlayer
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 18,560
Britain may be about to adopt lower US standards on … everything
The Americans have lower consumer standards than Europe on pretty much everything, from chemical safety to data protection. A bilateral trade deal will see them demand we lower our standards so their products can enter our market more freely. Given how desperate we’ll be, we’re likely to comply.
I agree with this quote. It's worrying and would hate this to happen.
RecordPlayer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 09:37
paulschapman
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 24,725
[quote=TheEngineer;84814026Britain may be about to adopt lower US standards on … everything
The Americans have lower consumer standards than Europe on pretty much everything, from chemical safety to data protection. A bilateral trade deal will see them demand we lower our standards so their products can enter our market more freely. Given how desperate we’ll be, we’re likely to comply. :[/QUOTE]

I'm not so sure this is true - many of the health and safety rules originally came from this country.
paulschapman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 09:38
Dacco
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: 47°9′ S, 126°43′ W
Posts: 2,948
Can you tell us why the article is wrong?
.
It's from the Guardian.
Dacco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 09:41
Dacco
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: 47°9′ S, 126°43′ W
Posts: 2,948
naked of logic, reason and common sense..
BIB, You've just described the EU.
Dacco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 09:48
allaorta
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 18,881
You failed to answer any of the issues raised in the article.

But to be fair that seems to be pretty much par for Brexit supporters. No answers, just insults, deflection and flag waving.
We're not obliged to.

All the answers lie in the majority voting to leave, ultimately, only the government is failing to secure our leaving. As an old motto said, "There is no crime except incompetence".
allaorta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 09:54
B-29
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,229
Lots of desperate could be, might be and may's as usual , or AKA Bull shit !
B-29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 09:56
allaorta
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 18,881
Can you tell us why the article is wrong?

Yeah thought not.
I've now read the items you quote and not one of them has any relevance, not one.
allaorta is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:33.