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He should have stated his position before the vote.
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He said before the referendum that he would not resign. A man should stand by his word.
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I was sad to seem him go, as I think he was a good prime minister, but at least he knew he couldn't carry on after being on the losing side so strongly and it would have sent the party into infighting, and at least he knows when to go unlike the useless leader of the Labour party.
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I suppose he didn't want people voting out just to get rid of him, so thought he had to lie.
"I don't want this to be a referendum on me, so I'm not going to be playing a significant role in the campaigning for Britain to remain in the EU." Simple. Impressive watching how people will try anything to justify this man's dishonesty and cowardice. |
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Coward of the highest order, but add in calculating piece of work.
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I'm sure privately he will regret agreeing to the referendum in the first place but politically I don't think he had a choice. If our EU Exit is a success then maybe history will praise him as the PM who gave the people their choice. If it's a failure then he will inevitably be blamed for giving people their choice. |
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By holding the ref he united the Tories and guaranteed them a majority in Parliament, more than anyone since Thatcher managed.
He was fully aware of how many holes there are in the referendum act and had not intention of dealing the fall out that we are experiencing now so he said see ya later and good luck. Hardly anything to blame him for. In addition he ensured that the very people campaigning for madness and chaos are now in charge of delivering the undeliverable and is enjoying the show while eating popcorn. |
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Personally I would have preferred if he stayed, he seemed on the more reasonable side of the Tories and I don't like the stuff i've heard from the May government so far.
IMO though he had to go - he was on the losing side of the most important political decision the country has taken in 40 years. It was only right that someone else pursued Brexit. |
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He's very self-important if he thinks people would do that. And that would simply have indicated he take a back seat in the campaign, rather than fronting it.
"I don't want this to be a referendum on me, so I'm not going to be playing a significant role in the campaigning for Britain to remain in the EU." Simple. Impressive watching how people will try anything to justify this man's dishonesty and cowardice. |
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From a personal perspective his resignation is understandable and as a confirmed Bremainer I doubt he would be the right choice to take forward the UK's exit from the EU. Understandably many will see his resignation as when the going got tough he decided to go.
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I think he was quite right to leave the blame for the fiasco that will be Brexit to those who wanted it.
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This has proven to be a very interesting discussion.
With the benefit and wisdom of hindsight I think Cameron should have stayed in the background and, at least, appeared to be neutral. He didn't, though but didn't he say the previous November that the UK would do okay outside the EU? So why this '.....bomb under the economy"? And haven't certain predictions already been shown to be incorrect? I could be wrong on this but wasn't Theresa May aso in favour of staying? Though consideraby less vociferous about it. Is she, therefore, the one to deal with the exit negotations, any more than Cameron was? |
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He said before the referendum that he would not resign. A man should stand by his word.
Politicians have to say whats poliically essential, even if its not true, if the alternative is thay lose on an unrelated, less important issue. Thats just political reality. |
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This has proven to be a very interesting discussion.
With the benefit and wisdom of hindsight I think Cameron should have stayed in the background and, at least, appeared to be neutral. He didn't, though but didn't he say the previous November that the UK would do okay outside the EU? So why this '.....bomb under the economy"? And haven't certain predictions already been shown to be incorrect? I could be wrong on this but wasn't Theresa May aso in favour of staying? Though consideraby less vociferous about it. Is she, therefore, the one to deal with the exit negotations, any more than Cameron was? She still is not sure how to proceed, conflicted thats my impression. As for Cameron resigning that probably was inevitable. |
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This has proven to be a very interesting discussion.
With the benefit and wisdom of hindsight I think Cameron should have stayed in the background and, at least, appeared to be neutral. He didn't, though but didn't he say the previous November that the UK would do okay outside the EU? So why this '.....bomb under the economy"? And haven't certain predictions already been shown to be incorrect? .. |
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This has proven to be a very interesting discussion.
With the benefit and wisdom of hindsight I think Cameron should have stayed in the background and, at least, appeared to be neutral. He didn't, though but didn't he say the previous November that the UK would do okay outside the EU? So why this '.....bomb under the economy"? And haven't certain predictions already been shown to be incorrect? I could be wrong on this but wasn't Theresa May aso in favour of staying? Though consideraby less vociferous about it. Is she, therefore, the one to deal with the exit negotations, any more than Cameron was? His rational analysis failed to pick up on the extent of irrational fear of immigrants in much of the electorate - because it doesn't exist in London or Witney, and voters logically ought to have been more concerned about their incomes. He missed Boris defecting - which gave Leave a figurehead , who didn't look like the rightwing wierdos leave otherwise would have been stuck with. Events also didn't go to plan. The refugee crisis came along at the wrong time, and Osborne was running late being able to increase spending , as the economy recovered. So what looks a decent idea, in 2013-15, don't look as good in 2016 - by when he's committed. Cameron couldn't stay back in the referendum - because Stay had no other leader who could sell the show. Labour could have with a Blair, but it had a comotose Corbyn. Boris might have been campaign leader - but he picked the wrong side. The Liberals were toxic. When the case doesn't sell well enough, there's only really the option of pointing out the consequences more starkly . Cameron can't attack Boris - as Boris is the fallback leader if no win, and the next leader if yes do. He can't convince voters immigrants are good for them, or blame his own government for spending shortages. its more fear or nothing. The Osborne fear predictions are all coming true - just not to the same timetable - partly because of the pound falling.. We are already bribing Nissan, watching banks prepare to go, halving future growth rates, and the halving of growth rates is already turning up, as question marks over the pensions triple lock. May was a quiet remainer - also positioned to take over if no won. Cameron reportedly thought only Boris or May could do the job as PM . Boris looks dubious, so its May. But she lacks Cameron's wit, and his memory, and his political skill, and his ability to appeal accross the house. |
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David Cameron's resignation only proved what a weak leader he was. It's not in the UK's national interest to have a weak leader, so therefore he did the right thing.
Yet now he's twisting the narrative in his favour, exploiting victim culture, and claiming it "cost him his job". Er, no it didn't he RESIGNED. A despicable act of political terrorism which we now have to clean up, and leaving us with a dried-up, bitter authoritarian as our Prime Minister "Imposed". What a scum bag. |
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Yet now he's twisting the narrative in his favour, exploiting victim culture, and claiming it "cost him his job". Er, no it didn't he RESIGNED.
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A traitor to the country. He believed leaving the EU would be a massive disaster for the UK yet was prepared to risk that to win the last general election. Has to go down as the worst ever Prime Minister for many a year!
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A traitor to the country. He believed leaving the EU would be a massive disaster for the UK yet was prepared to risk that to win the last general election. Has to go down as the worst ever Prime Minister for many a year!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6726606.html Britain is no longer “the sick man of Europe” it was in 1970s and could continue to thrive outside of the EU, David Cameron will say this week, as he prepares to set out his demands for reform ahead of the In-Out referendum. In some of his most strident language yet, Mr Cameron will tell voters that the vote will be “the final decision” for the country. However, he will say that Britain could be successful in or out of Europe, and that voters must make a judgement based on the reforms he hopes to secure. |
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Cameron is a logical chap with a first class brain. He, and the polls, thought he had a winning watertight case, that only idiots and masochists, would ignore. He also had a rather stunning show planned to make the points clearly - involving everyone from Obama to the leaders of the CBI , and TUC, and Steven Hawking.
His rational analysis [snipped] But she lacks Cameron's wit, and his memory, and his political skill, and his ability to appeal accross the house. |
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Not really.........
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6726606.html Britain is no longer “the sick man of Europe” it was in 1970s and could continue to thrive outside of the EU, David Cameron will say this week, as he prepares to set out his demands for reform ahead of the In-Out referendum. In some of his most strident language yet, Mr Cameron will tell voters that the vote will be “the final decision” for the country. However, he will say that Britain could be successful in or out of Europe, and that voters must make a judgement based on the reforms he hopes to secure. |
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One statement of his dosen't disprove all the other times and campaigning he did telling us much worse off we'd be out of the EU.
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Wonder what changed his mind?
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David Cameron has defended his decision to call a referendum on the EU - despite the fact it cost him his job.
Yet now he's twisting the narrative in his favour, exploiting victim culture, and claiming it "cost him his job". Er, no it didn't he RESIGNED. A despicable act of political terrorism which we now have to clean up, and leaving us with a dried-up, bitter authoritarian as our Prime Minister "Imposed". What a scum bag. |
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Not really.........
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6726606.html Britain is no longer “the sick man of Europe” it was in 1970s and could continue to thrive outside of the EU, David Cameron will say this week, as he prepares to set out his demands for reform ahead of the In-Out referendum. In some of his most strident language yet, Mr Cameron will tell voters that the vote will be “the final decision” for the country. However, he will say that Britain could be successful in or out of Europe, and that voters must make a judgement based on the reforms he hopes to secure. "His comments will be interpreted as a warning to European leaders that he could still back a No vote if he fails to secure major concessions. " He had to say that, but just like with Boris after the vote, the reality of Brexit soon became apparent. |
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