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Old 09-12-2016, 13:09
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Hard to know. I always found him deeply unprincipled and was more interested in saying things to stay in power than because of any deeply help convictions.
Well quite. When a politician says something the first thing you need to think is what's in it for them, because that's where a lot of them are coming from. That's why you can take a lot of what they say with a very large pinch of salt.

Was he saying what he believed when he said we could thrive outside the EU, or when he said sky would fall in? Who knows, but it just goes to show you're better off making your own mind up than listening to politicians who are more interested in their career than you or me.
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Old 09-12-2016, 13:12
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Well quite. When a politician says something the first thing you need to think is what's in it for them, because that's where a lot of them are coming from. That's why you can take a lot of what they say with a very large pinch of salt.

Was he saying what he believed when he said we could thrive outside the EU, or when he said sky would fall in? Who knows, but it just goes to show you're better making your own mind up than listening to politicians who are more interested in their career than you or me.
Agreed. I voted remain but Cameron was no influence to me on that. In fact I found his campaigning a hinderance to the remain campaign
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Old 09-12-2016, 13:22
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Well quite. When a politician says something the first thing you need to think is what's in it for them, because that's where a lot of them are coming from. That's why you can take a lot of what they say with a very large pinch of salt.

Was he saying what he believed when he said we could thrive outside the EU, or when he said sky would fall in? Who knows, but it just goes to show you're better off making your own mind up than listening to politicians who are more interested in their career than you or me.
He was setting up a negotiating position with the EU.

You may tell your boss there's lots of better paid jobs out there for you when you are asking for a pay rise; when your partner swears at him at the Christmas do and he's thinking of sacking you things may look a a little different.
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Old 09-12-2016, 13:28
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Agreed. I voted remain but Cameron was no influence to me on that. In fact I found his campaigning a hinderance to the remain campaign
I voted leave and I found the whole remain campaign fantastic

As soon as they started 'scare max' and the "you're too old, too thick, too racist" etc I knew there was a good chance of a leave vote. The whole remain argument was so negative, which worked out great for what I wanted.

I suppose they had their hands tied a bit, because it's hard to make a positive case for the EU. Even most remainers would admit the EU isn't up to much and were just going along the lines of "better the devil you know".
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Old 09-12-2016, 13:30
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He was setting up a negotiating position with the EU.

You may tell your boss there's lots of better paid jobs out there for you when you are asking for a pay rise; when your partner swears at him at the Christmas do and he's thinking of sacking you things may look a a little different.
Well it didn't work very well, because the EU basically told him you aren't getting a pay rise, like it or lump it.
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Old 09-12-2016, 13:40
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I voted leave and I found the whole remain campaign fantastic

As soon as they started 'scare max' and the "you're too old, too thick, too racist" etc I knew there was a good chance of a leave vote. The whole remain argument was so negative, which worked out great for what I wanted.
You wanted a low pound, halved interest rates, rising inflation and lowered growth?
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Old 09-12-2016, 13:44
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You wanted a low pound, halved interest rates, rising inflation and lowered growth?
Low pound is good for exports.

Interest rates were basically zero anyway.

Inflation is below the government target and doesn't look like getting above it any time soon.

Growth is forecast a bit lower than what it would have been, but is a price worth paying to get out of the EU in my view.
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Old 09-12-2016, 13:44
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I voted leave and I found the whole remain campaign fantastic

As soon as they started 'scare max' and the "you're too old, too thick, too racist" etc I knew there was a good chance of a leave vote. The whole remain argument was so negative, which worked out great for what I wanted.

I suppose they had their hands tied a bit, because it's hard to make a positive case for the EU. Even most remainers would admit the EU isn't up to much and were just going along the lines of "better the devil you know".
Well quite, it was damned if you do, damned if you don't campaign. You can't start dangling carrots about how much better off you'll be if you carry on the same and if you point out how things will be worse if you leave, you have brexiters jumping all over it screaming "scaremongering!"
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Old 09-12-2016, 13:50
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Well quite, it was damned if you do, damned if you don't campaign. You can't start dangling carrots about how much better off you'll be if you carry on the same and if you point out how things will be worse if you leave, you have brexiters jumping all over it screaming "scaremongering!"
The main problem was they overdid the scare stories. They had someone lined up for every single day of the campaign, to be rolled out and tell us what a disaster leaving would be.

When something is so clearly orchestrated people stop believing it after a while. Some of it may turn out to be true, some of it won't, but the believable stuff just got drowned under the sheer volume of scare stories. Once people stop believing you then that's it, whatever is said won't be believed.

You'd think they'd have learnt from the Scottish referendum where they caused a big swing to leave and only just got away with it.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:49
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This has proven to be a very interesting discussion.

With the benefit and wisdom of hindsight I think Cameron should have stayed in the background and, at least, appeared to be Uneutral. He didn't, though but didn't he say the previous November that the UK would do okay outside the EU? So why this '.....bomb under the economy"? And haven't certain predictions already been shown to be incorrect?
I don't believe that Cameron was ever a EU enthusiast, evidenced again by his speech today which makes clear that the referendum was all about holding the Conservative party together. A committed Remainer would have made the case for staying by explaining the positives and having a vision for Europe. I suspect that deep down he was ambivalent as to whether we left or not. I recall when he first entered Parliament he made much of his euroscepticism.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:57
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