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The Joseph Roundtree Foundation have two and half pages available on the internet which explain definitions of poverty
Relative poverty "Resources are so seriousky low below thise commanded by the average individual or family that they are in effect excluded from ordinary living patterns ,customs and activities" "Not enough money to buy stuff and services that the majority can get" So the consequence it clear, as more and more people are in this situation it must have a crushing effect on the UK economy because that's the type of economy we have. The solution is not to end in-work benefits or create a sky-high minimum wage, it's to create an society where people can afford to live while on lower wages. That means high quality public services that are free or very cheap, especially housing/transport/healthcare. The destruction of public services is a destruction of the UKs economy. |
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So who defines "ordinary"?
I understand there are not easy answers but the wilfully evasive are either living in denial or showing a callous lack of humanity |
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Wealth is defined by the difference between Income and costs, Why not the same for poverty, surely that is what counts. I know costs can be discretionary (as sometimes can Income for that matter) but surely we can find ways to define a basic living cost where the two main variables are housing and social care.
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People with less than 60% of median income are classified as poor. Overall poverty was down, the government said.
Its figures suggested poverty numbers had been falling compared to six years ago. "Since 2010, the number of people living in poverty has fallen by 300,000 but we know there is more to do. We are increasing the National Living Wage and taking millions of people out of income tax, to make sure it always pays to be in work," a government spokesman said. |
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The report uses the following poverty thresholds
Single Adult net income £141 a week Lone parent with one young child net income £190 a week Couple with no children net income £243 a week Couple with two children net income £393 a week |
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The current "Living Wage" for a Single parent with 3 kids is £18.40/hour. Good luck with getting anywhere near that. Same as it has ALWAYS been.
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The report uses the following poverty thresholds
Single Adult net income £141 a week Lone parent with one young child net income £190 a week Couple with no children net income £243 a week Couple with two children net income £393 a week Just try google What these self-interested groups do is pick the one that supports their agenda, then use that one to scream out shock horror headlines. |
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There are multiple definitions of "poverty"
Just try google What these self-interested groups do is pick the one that supports their agenda, then use that one to scream out shock horror headlines. |
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The current "Living Wage" for a Single parent with 3 kids is £18.40/hour. Good luck with getting anywhere near that. Same as it has ALWAYS been.
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If that is correct, then that is only £35k a year. Most people should be aspirations of getting "anywhere near" that and beyond once they are established in their careers.
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The average wage in the UK is only £26500.
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The current system simply isn't working for too many people.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7458981.html |
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The report uses the following poverty thresholds
Single Adult net income £141 a week Lone parent with one young child net income £190 a week Couple with no children net income £243 a week Couple with two children net income £393 a week |
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Why is tax-money being used to underwrite businesses who are not paying their workers enough? They should be forced by government to pay the correct rate for the job. No nonsense.
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There wont be any work soon for millions of people ..when all the robots get stuck in
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Good question. Why doesn't work pay?
![]() ![]() Because the labour market is a wash with cheap labour. It's simple supply/demand market forces. |
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Well, Bacon&Eggs. In answer to your very good question, which seems to have all the economic "experts" around here silenced.
![]() ![]() Because the labour market is a wash with cheap labour. It's simple supply/demand market forces. It's rent/council tax, transport and utilities that's the problem. If the all-in cost for a two bedroom flat was £350/month then we would have a much better economy. (rent/CT/utilities) So the utilities were privatised to enrich the rich. Social housing was decimated to enrich the rich. Council tax for the lower paid is high to subsidise the rich. There's a pattern here... |
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The minimum wage should largely deal with that problem.
They arrived at £7.50 by determining what businesses could afford to pay, rather than what the typical person needs to live. ok that makes financial sense because we'd be daft to unnecessarily burden business beyond it's means but why is there a gap? If a business can't fulfill it's raison d'être and pay staff a "living" what use is it. It should be allowed to fail. We have a superb economy don't we, yet thousands of companies need hand outs to keep them afloat. ![]() Quote:
It's rent/council tax, transport and utilities that's the problem. The labour market creates personal wealth to workers where as the rich derive personal wealth from other markets - housing and investment, those requiring capital. Markets are driven by supply and demand and therefore can be manipulated if you can artificially over/under supply them. If you as a politician have a policy of over-supplying the labour market with immigrants, should you not also have a policy of over-supplying the housing market with homes?If the all-in cost for a two bedroom flat was £350/month then we would have a much better economy. (rent/CT/utilities) So the utilities were privatised to enrich the rich. Social housing was decimated to enrich the rich. Council tax for the lower paid is high to subsidise the rich. There's a pattern here... To have a double standard here is to limit wealth potential for one and free potential for the other, to treat the worker differently to the investor, dare i say, the poor differently from the rich. |
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The average wage in the UK is only £26500.
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What defines poverty? do they buy fags and booze?
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