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Well, they'll lose a cash cow......will they be able to afford to carry on when we're gone?
Yerp will be begging us to rejoin, crawling on their froggy bellies once they see us prospering and deigning to trade with the Empi.... er.... Commonwealth! Of course we will an antagonistic element from now on, not partners, and they could just refuse to budge on any deals, lose us financial passporting, and the entire financial sector could move itself to where it can serve the EEA, Perhaps Frankfurt? Who knows. Bye bye 20% of GDP What a shame. |
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Because competition is the real wealth creator.
Whenever there is the absence of competition you get poverty of service and poverty of wealth for the many, the EU is no different in that. Breaking it up into 28 separate markets, all ring fenced with the inevitable paperwork and - no doubt - multiple layers of tariffs would INHIBIT competition, not promote it. That would result in increased "poverty of service" and "poverty of wealth" due to the reduction in competition. |
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If the financial sector had any sense they's be have HQ's in Switzerland by now, outside the EU but with single market access, and some of the best world wide trade deals in place already.
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The EU is the world's richest single market which has removed & continues to remove barriers to competition between its member states and companies.
Breaking it up into 28 separate markets, all ring fenced with the inevitable paperwork and - no doubt - multiple layers of tariffs would INHIBIT competition, not promote it. That would result in increased "poverty of service" and "poverty of wealth" due to the reduction in competition. |
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I don't care about the EU because I think it brings it's ills upon itself, and is totally non self aware and non self critical.
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I hope we do well, however, and are not reduced to penury.
There do seem to be some remainers who are so angry at the referendum result that they apparently hope that the EU flourishes while we go down the pan. |
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If the financial sector had any sense they's be have HQ's in Switzerland by now, outside the EU but with single market access, and some of the best world wide trade deals in place already.
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I don't care about the EU because I think it brings it's ills upon itself, and is totally non self aware and non self critical. I hope we do well, however, and are not reduced to penury.
There do seem to be some remainers who are so angry at the referendum result that they apparently hope that the EU flourishes while we go down the pan. Once we are out of the EU I'll simply wish well those countries choosing to remain. If it's truly wonderful, no more will try to leave it or the Euro, but I will applaud anyone else who escapes. Either it will evolve into a USof E (there's more chance of this perhaps when we, the EU Grinches have left), or implode. We will have to react and adjust, but not be at the acute end, either way. |
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it's the EU's firewall of tariffs and protectionism that are killing alot of business Europe wide.
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I Agree the EU needs to be systemically dismantled in a safe well thought out plan, but not destroyed in one fell swoop.
The EU will cope perfectly well without us. If it's a hard brexit, they have a lot of shifting businesses to look forward to. Our contribution has already been re-allocated, and it's a speck of sand in the scheme of things. |
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Any crumbling of the EU as it stands will have nothing to do with us leaving, just the intransigence of the Union itself. One small change to the UK's immigration and benefit policies would have saved the calamitous times the whole EU is about to face.
Well done Ms Merkel. |
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Definitely this.
Once we are out of the EU I'll simply wish well those countries choosing to remain. If it's truly wonderful, no more will try to leave it or the Euro, but I will applaud anyone else who escapes. Either it will evolve into a USof E (there's more chance of this perhaps when we, the EU Grinches have left), or implode. We will have to react and adjust, but not be at the acute end, either way. Your claim is a bit akin to claiming that a post-Brexit UK must either evolve into a perfect capitalist (or communist) state or it must implode with its seperate nations all becoming independent. In reality neither the EU nor a post-Brexit UK face such false either/or choices. |
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The EU is the world's richest single market which has removed & continues to remove barriers to competition between its member states and companies.
Breaking it up into 28 separate markets, all ring fenced with the inevitable paperwork and - no doubt - multiple layers of tariffs would INHIBIT competition, not promote it. That would result in increased "poverty of service" and "poverty of wealth" due to the reduction in competition. But this has nothing to do with economics of course. The right wing (and sometimes left wing) nationalists in each country want to see the destruction of the EU as a political union as they think this will mean the end of elites, liberalism, globalisation, multiculturalism and immigration. |
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Us wrecking the EU would be like us liberating Europe in WW1 and WW2.
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Us wrecking the EU would be like us liberating Europe in WW1 and WW2.
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Us wrecking the EU would be like us liberating Europe in WW1 and WW2.
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Utter delusion and arrogance. Other European countries are already free to leave any time they like, we don't need Britain to liberate us. Just mind your own business, get on with Brexit and let the rest of Europe get on with doing what they want.
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Free to leave whenever they like?
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Utter delusion and arrogance. Other European countries are already free to leave any time they like, we don't need Britain to liberate us. Just mind your own business, get on with Brexit and let the rest of Europe get on with doing what they want.
We should have maybe just kept our nose out of the rest of Europe in WW1 and WW2 and at least the German European project would be farther ahead so you would be happy. Also the threat from the EU that if you leave the club you will take a punishment beating, is not a club i want to be in. it is like the mafia. Also the EU is not Europe, I love Europe but the EU is destroying it. |
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Rafael Behr thinks the UK could accidentally wreck the EU. I suspect it is the aim for the likes of Fox
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That's a false either/or. The EU will continue on as a union of sovereign nations just as it currently is since that is what its members want.
Your claim is a bit akin to claiming that a post-Brexit UK must either evolve into a perfect capitalist (or communist) state or it must implode with its seperate nations all becoming independent. In reality neither the EU nor a post-Brexit UK face such false either/or choices. But then again, unlike some Remainers on here, I don't expect GB to self-destruct post Brexit, just find a new, independent and prosperous path. |
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Free to leave whenever they like?
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No they are not, as the people are never given a referendum, as a lot of countries are worried how the actual people would vote.
We should have maybe just kept our nose out of the rest of Europe in WW1 and WW2 and at least the German European project would be farther ahead so you would be happy. Also the threat from the EU that if you leave the club you will take a punishment beating, is not a club i want to be in. it is like the mafia. Also the EU is not Europe, I love Europe but the EU is destroying it. The comparison between the EU and the two world wars is immature bollocks that I can't be bothered to respond to. Nobody has threatened the UK with a punishment beating, you've been told that if you leave the club you lose the benefits of the club. Actions have consequences, just grow up and deal with it. |
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There's no call from people within any other EU country for a referendum, and given that every other EU country is a democracy, the people of those countries can tell their own governments if they want a referendum. Its not up to you to speak for them.
The comparison between the EU and the two world wars is immature bollocks that I can't be bothered to respond to. Nobody has threatened the UK with a punishment beating, you've been told that if you leave the club you lose the benefits of the club. Actions have consequences, just grow up and deal with it. France et al are just waiting to see what happens. ETA - is not the EU credited with stopping any more European/World wars? If so, any comparison is valid. |
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There's no call from people within any other EU country for a referendum, and given that every other EU country is a democracy, the people of those countries can tell their own governments if they want a referendum. Its not up to you to speak for them.
The comparison between the EU and the two world wars is immature bollocks that I can't be bothered to respond to. Nobody has threatened the UK with a punishment beating, you've been told that if you leave the club you lose the benefits of the club. Actions have consequences, just grow up and deal with it. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...of-eu-members/ All around the EU people are catching on to how badly the EU is letting Europe down. |
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Ah it' must be an odd numbered week and therefore the UK is powerful enough to bring down the mighty EU. Only five more days and we enter an even numbered week where the UK reverts back to an insignificant group of islands in the North Atlantic. It's hard keeping up sometimes.
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