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Brexiteers : more aggressive than Remainers ?
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Justin Aerial
07-12-2016
I have been surprised at how strongly so many remain supporters (including myself) feel about the Referendum and the probability of leaving the EU, my only observation is it`s a pity we didn`t switch that on during the campaign...... However, strong feelings don`t necessarily equate to aggressive nasty ones. When one reads about the vitriol and abuse that Gina Miller* is suffering just by attempting to clarify the British constitution, and the screaming headlines in the Express / Mail / Sun papers**, I can`t help thinking that if the situation had been reversed it would have been altogether more civilised. If Remain had won narrowly and the Leave campaign had tried to have the Referendum rerun (remember Farage said on the evening of the poll that he`d do that if they lost ! ) I really can`t see there would have been such gross unpleasantness (Farage was actually threatening rioting in the streets if we didn`t leave the EU ! ).
Do others agree ? And what does that say about many of those who voted Leave ?

* and any other person questioning anything about Brexit.

** significantly I haven`t called them newspapers, they don`t deserve the title. Why does anyone, apart from right wing Tories, read the Daily Mail or Express ?
Harvey_Specter
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Justin Aerial:
“I have been surprised at how strongly so many remain supporters (including myself) feel about the Referendum and the probability of leaving the EU, my only observation is it`s a pity we didn`t switch that on during the campaign...... However, strong feelings don`t necessarily equate to aggressive nasty ones. When one reads about the vitriol and abuse that Gina Miller* is suffering just by attempting to clarify the British constitution, and the screaming headlines in the Express / Mail / Sun papers**, I can`t help thinking that if the situation had been reversed it would have been altogether more civilised. If Remain had won narrowly and the Leave campaign had tried to have the Referendum rerun (remember Farage said on the evening of the poll that he`d do that if they lost ! ) I really can`t see there would have been such gross unpleasantness (Farage was actually threatening rioting in the streets if we didn`t leave the EU ! ).
Do others agree ? And what does that say about many of those who voted Leave ?

* and any other person questioning anything about Brexit.

** significantly I haven`t called them newspapers, they don`t deserve the title. Why does anyone, apart from right wing Tories, read the Daily Mail or Express ?”

I don't know if they're more aggressive, but it is tiresome to hear many of them ignore the conversation about the exit and doing what's best through the exit process and are just concerned with repeating 'out means out'.
Fried Kickin
07-12-2016
Trying to tar everyone with the same brush .. nice one
Ben_Copland
07-12-2016
I really do think if we'd have remained, the exiters would have forgotten about it and it would have never been ever, ever, ever mentioned... ever again.
Arcana
07-12-2016
I wouldn't like to say which side is more aggressive or angry and I don't really care. If people are angry there are reasons for it and criticising / mocking / shaming angry people doesn't get us anywhere.

Even if I don't consider the reasons particularly rational reasons to be angry, the anger isn't helping me or any of us so I want to consider what can be done within reason to reduce it.
Andrew1954
07-12-2016
As a Brexiter I resent my views being criticised by the implied association with the behaviour of a few nutters.
Fried Kickin
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Arcana:
“I wouldn't like to say which side is more aggressive or angry and I don't really care. If people are angry there are reasons for it and criticising / mocking / shaming angry people doesn't get us anywhere.

Even if I don't consider the reasons particularly rational reasons to be angry, the anger isn't helping me or any of us so I want to consider what can be done within reason to reduce the anger.”

Triggering A50.
Some people would finally have to accept that it is happening.
Arcana
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Fried Kickin:
“Triggering A50.
Some people would finally have to accept that it is happening.”

But if that were to happen before due process has occurred, it could make things worse.

Ultimately we have to rely on politicians, the media and other influential people to resist the temptation to stir things up but, as evidenced by this whole Brexit episode, their egos often get the better of them. Unfortunately many of the rest of us don't care or don't see how our rulers benefit from our in-fighting and divisions.
Deep Purple
07-12-2016
This is nearly as poor a comparison as saying everyone who drives a German car is a bad driver.
molliepops
07-12-2016
I have no problem with people having another political opinion but I do think calling all of us who voted out are racists or xenophobic haven't made me feel very generous toward those who voted in and continue to try and stop us leaving.

I think the vitriol first few days against those of us openly voted out may just be coming back to bite people now.

It's horrible and needs stopping, but I can see why it has happened.
TrollHunter
07-12-2016
As well as the Brexiters being more aggressive, I've found all the Bremainers to be unintelligent dullards, unable to see a distinction between individuals and the entire group of people who voted a particularly way.
Harvey_Specter
07-12-2016
Who knew Justin would be on the money so quickly lol
Justin Aerial
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ben_Copland:
“I really do think if we'd have remained, the exiters would have forgotten about it and it would have never been ever, ever, ever mentioned... ever again.”

I guarantee you 100% that would not have happened, certainly not had the vote been 52/48 the other way. Did you not hear Farage himself say "if we lose it wouldn`t be over" on election night ?
JasonWatkins
07-12-2016
Whatever the result had been, I don't think it would have gone quietly.

Farage said beforehand that a 51/48 would represent "unfinished business" and that he would have kept campaigning. But apparently that's only good enough for him because he got that exact result in his favour so everyone else should shut up and accept it, even though he made it clear he wouldn't accept it if it went against him.

So if it's good enough for him to do that and carry on contesting the result then it should be just as applicable to the remain side.
Justin Aerial
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Fried Kickin:
“Trying to tar everyone with the same brush .. nice one ”

Who said anything about everyone ? I certainly didn`t. I`m generalising.
dearmrman
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“I have no problem with people having another political opinion but I do think calling all of us who voted out are racists or xenophobic haven't made me feel very generous toward those who voted in and continue to try and stop us leaving.

I think the vitriol first few days against those of us openly voted out may just be coming back to bite people now.

It's horrible and needs stopping, but I can see why it has happened.”

Of course your not....you just sided with them, that is all.
Harvey_Specter
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Whatever the result had been, I don't think it would have gone quietly.

Farage said beforehand that a 51/48 would represent "unfinished business" and that he would have kept campaigning. But apparently that's only good enough for him because he got that exact result in his favour so everyone else should shut up and accept it, even though he made it clear he wouldn't accept it if it went against him.

So if it's good enough for him to do that and carry on contesting the result then it should be just as applicable to the remain side.”

Damn straight unfinished, I'd wanna know where that 1 percent went!
Andrew1954
07-12-2016
It's quite interesting to see the boot on the other foot isn't it! For years and years we've seen eurosceptics moaning on and on and on about the EU, and apart from a few europhiles fighting back, the EU bashers were basically talking amongst themselves. Now the Bremoaners know what that's like.
Justin Aerial
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Arcana:
“I wouldn't like to say which side is more aggressive or angry and I don't really care. If people are angry there are reasons for it and criticising / mocking / shaming angry people doesn't get us anywhere.

Even if I don't consider the reasons particularly rational reasons to be angry, the anger isn't helping me or any of us so I want to consider what can be done within reason to reduce it.”

That`s a very big ask indeed. Even I am surprised about the degree which this has split the country. Speaking for myself any patriotism that I had before has gone, I can`t say I really care about this country now, I don`t even recognise it anymore. And all for something which most people weren`t that bothered about only 18 months ago !*
Cameron has indeed got much to answer for, putting party above country, though to be frank I don`t think he ever expected to get an overall majority in 2015. He never thought he`d have to enact half of the Tory manifesto. Bad misjudgement.....

* You Guv poll April 2015, only 15% of people put Europe in the top three of their concerns.
Justin Aerial
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Arcana:
“But if that were to happen before due process has occurred, it could make things worse.

Ultimately we have to rely on politicians, the media and other influential people to resist the temptation to stir things up
but, as evidenced by this whole Brexit episode, their egos often get the better of them. Unfortunately many of the rest of us don't care or don't see how our rulers benefit from our in-fighting and divisions.”

That is indeed a forlorn fantasy
Justin Aerial
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“This is nearly as poor a comparison as saying everyone who drives a German car is a bad driver.”

You`re falling into the same trap as Fried Kickin, it`s called generalising. I never said everyone who voted leave was aggressive and nasty, I said I suspect more are then would have been the case had the situation been reversed.
molliepops
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by dearmrman:
“Of course your not....you just sided with them, that is all.”

I wasn't old enough to vote first time round I've been campaigning for us to leave since I was 18, I'm now in my 50s. I think they rather used our out campaign rather than us siding with them.
netcurtains
07-12-2016
I haven't met any aggressive brexiters, the most I can get out of those that I know that voted out is 'out means out' and 'brexit means brexit'. More gormless than aggressive!
molliepops
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Andrew1954:
“It's quite interesting to see the boot on the other foot isn't it! For years and years we've seen eurosceptics moaning on and on and on about the EU, and apart from a few europhiles fighting back, the EU bashers were basically talking amongst themselves. Now the Bremoaners know what that's like.”

You make a good point. It did feel we were well out numbered, I was ready to say well done to the winners after the referendum, got up next morning and nearly fell over when I realised I was a winner
Fried Kickin
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by netcurtains:
“I haven't met any aggressive brexiters, the most I can get out of those that I know that voted out is 'out means out' and 'brexit means brexit'. More gormless than aggressive!”

The referendum was a simple question defined by the slogan in/out.
So really it should come as no surprise to you that the people who voted out wish to leave the EU.
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