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Old 07-12-2016, 14:37
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And what does that say about many of those who voted Leave ?
Nothing, it only says something about those individuals who are being aggressive over this. There are a multitude of reasons someone could have voted for Brext, probably as many reasons as there were people who voted to leave. Not all of them were racially motivated, not all of them were to do with immigration. I can see why some of those who voted leave are being aggressive about it though, and I think it's partly a defense mechanism to the accusations of racism, idiocy and bigotry from some of the remainers. Dishing out that kind of abuse when it's is not always warranted, painting all Brexiters with the same brush, that kind of thing gets people's backs up. To me, that kind of behaviour is just as bad as the reaction from some brexiters.
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Old 07-12-2016, 14:38
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The referendum was a simple question defined by the slogan in/out.
So really it should come as no surprise to you that the people who voted out wish to leave the EU.
I don't think I've read it put better than that yet. Bravo, sir!
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Old 07-12-2016, 14:51
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The referendum was a simple question defined by the slogan in/out.
So really it should come as no surprise to you that the people who voted out wish to leave the EU.
Quite, just another reason why the referendum wasn't a good idea. Being a part of the EU isn't a black and white issue and cannot be resolved with a simple in or out. I'm still confused about what it is people they think that they voted for, they just don't know. It's a bizarre situation.
Even a simple divorce is complicated, you can't just say yeah I don't want to be married to you anymore and that's it, there's shit to sort out and what the husband wants out of it may be entirely different to what the wife wants, divorces can take years and cost thousands if one side decides they're getting a bad deal.
I guess Britain is about to be the spouse that gets the bum deal!
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Old 07-12-2016, 14:54
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As a Brexiter I resent my views being criticised by the implied association with the behaviour of a few nutters.
Surely a Brexiter is by definition a nutter.

Runs for cover.
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Old 07-12-2016, 14:57
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Let me get this straight, not only are 'we' (the people who want to leave the EU) labelled as ignorant, racist, thick, common, lower class etc. but now we are aggressive too!

The most vitriol and aggression I've witnessed throughout this entire process so far has come from people who voted to remain! I've been completely flummoxed by it.
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Old 07-12-2016, 14:58
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Sometimes a divorce favours one side, sometimes it favours the other and somethimes its an even split

But generally by the time you get to the point of asking for a divorce, the divorce is needed as the relationship has become dysfunctional
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Old 07-12-2016, 14:58
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Let me get this straight, not only are 'we' (the people who want to leave the EU) labelled as ignorant, racist, thick, common, lower class etc. but now we are aggressive too!

The most vitriol and aggression I've witnessed throughout this entire process so far has come from people who voted to remain! I've been completely flummoxed by it.
You forgot "Old people who should just die already ffs"
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Old 07-12-2016, 15:14
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You forgot "Old people who should just die already ffs"
How could i have forgotten that one! Ta 😜
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Old 07-12-2016, 15:27
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I've had to block the facebook posts of two remainers because they have been a constant stream of angry insulting posts since the result. I thought their anger would have died down by now but I overheard one of them ranting at a tradesman delivering goods to them the other day. Not good for their business I would have thought.

On top of the stream of accusations of racism/xenophobia/etc on here and elsewhere the odd "out means out" comments are pretty small beer.
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Old 07-12-2016, 15:32
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However, strong feelings don`t necessarily equate to aggressive nasty ones.
Proving that they fall in line with your own right?

There have been idiots on both sides of the vote but all the name calling, victimising and witch hunts that have ensured because someone didn't think the same as someone else has been utterly pathetic.
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Old 07-12-2016, 15:38
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You forgot "Old people who should just die already ffs"
Though IIRC that was normally phrased as e.g. 'correcting the voter demographics'...
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Old 07-12-2016, 15:42
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I haven't met any aggressive brexiters, the most I can get out of those that I know that voted out is 'out means out' and 'brexit means brexit'. More gormless than aggressive!
What about Farage promising riots on the streets if we didn`t leave the EU ? Could you really see any of the pro remain lobby saying that had the whole thing gone the other way ?
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Old 07-12-2016, 15:50
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Let me get this straight, not only are 'we' (the people who want to leave the EU) labelled as ignorant, racist, thick, common, lower class etc. but now we are aggressive too!

The most vitriol and aggression I've witnessed throughout this entire process so far has come from people who voted to remain! I've been completely flummoxed by it.
It`s not acceptable. But if you think about it it`s not hard to understand. Many people, including myself think the referendum campaign was the most dishonest by far in living memory. The remain camp weren`t entirely blameless (that idiotic "emergency budget"), but the Leave camp were in another league. And when they were asked any awkward questions they just said "project fear" (totally meaningless), or even worse, the public have had enough of experts !
Speaking for myself, I could have accepted a large majority result from a dishonest campaign, or a small majority result from an honest campaign, but not a small majority result from a dishonest campaign.
Then there`s the Brexit lot saying the public voted for a complete ("hard") Brexit, which can`t possibly be true. 48% voted against that, and, I`m prepared to bet, more than 4% of those who voted Leave don`t even know hat the single market is.
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Old 07-12-2016, 16:08
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Brexiters labelled as knuckle dragging xenophobic morons does make me slightly annoyed.
However I am content in knowing I voted for what I believe is the best for this country in the long run. I have wanted out of the EU for years and was extremely grateful for the vote.
To my personal knowledege it is some of the remainers who have behaved appallingly. I know two people who have had to block them on facebook due to their vile vitriolic attacks. However this is some remainers not all and most I know who have accepted the democratic outcome and are quite astonished by the behaviour of others.

So some Brexiters may be aggresive and some Remainers may be aggressive and you simply cannot generalise or mmake suppositions.

As an aside as far as I am concerned voting for Brexit meant voting to come out of the single market - otherwise there is no point.
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Old 07-12-2016, 16:09
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Both sides have their fair share of tw**s, simple as.
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Old 07-12-2016, 16:24
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As a Brexiter I resent my views being criticised by the implied association with the behaviour of a few nutters.
Is it a few..? It's very difficult to quantify just how many of either group is involved in this or that behaviour.

What is indisputable is that the country is very badly divided on this issue. There is bad feeling, especially about the lies that the Leave campaign spread in order to win their vote, and the increase in racist activity since.

I said at the time of the campaign that not all Leave voters are racists, but it's a pretty safe bet that all racists are leave voters. The outcome of the referendum has encouraged them and is acting as a catalyst for the rise of extremist right wing groups who are becoming increasingly aggressive in the promotion of their agenda.

When all this is over and Britain is out of the EU, both leave and remain voters are going to have to live in the same country and elect a government that will represent ALL the people, not just those of whichever group they supported at the Referendum.

The country is divided and what worries me is that, amongst all the bickering and arguing about how Brexit will be achieved, nobody seems to be doing anything at all about reuniting it.
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Old 07-12-2016, 16:49
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Is it a few..? It's very difficult to quantify just how many of either group is involved in this or that behaviour.

What is indisputable is that the country is very badly divided on this issue. There is bad feeling, especially about the lies that the Leave campaign spread in order to win their vote, and the increase in racist activity since.

I said at the time of the campaign that not all Leave voters are racists, but it's a pretty safe bet that all racists are leave voters. The outcome of the referendum has encouraged them and is acting as a catalyst for the rise of extremist right wing groups who are becoming increasingly aggressive in the promotion of their agenda.

When all this is over and Britain is out of the EU, both leave and remain voters are going to have to live in the same country and elect a government that will represent ALL the people, not just those of whichever group they supported at the Referendum.

The country is divided and what worries me is that, amongst all the bickering and arguing about how Brexit will be achieved, nobody seems to be doing anything at all about reuniting it.
What makes you say all racists are leave voters?

A large number probably didn't even vote, others may want to keep the UK as white as possible and would favour majority white immigration from Europe, over fairer levels of immigration of other racial groups from the rest of the world.
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Old 07-12-2016, 16:58
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Is it a few..? It's very difficult to quantify just how many of either group is involved in this or that behaviour.

What is indisputable is that the country is very badly divided on this issue. There is bad feeling, especially about the lies that the Leave campaign spread in order to win their vote, and the increase in racist activity since.

I said at the time of the campaign that not all Leave voters are racists, but it's a pretty safe bet that all racists are leave voters. The outcome of the referendum has encouraged them and is acting as a catalyst for the rise of extremist right wing groups who are becoming increasingly aggressive in the promotion of their agenda.

When all this is over and Britain is out of the EU, both leave and remain voters are going to have to live in the same country and elect a government that will represent ALL the people, not just those of whichever group they supported at the Referendum.

The country is divided and what worries me is that, amongst all the bickering and arguing about how Brexit will be achieved, nobody seems to be doing anything at all about reuniting it.
Well your certainly doing nothing to heal the wounds by insulting those who disagree with you and perpetuating divisive propagada.
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Old 07-12-2016, 17:13
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I think what is angering a lot of people who voted to leave, myself included, is that so many people, be it private citizens, M.P's, Lords Judges, Luvvies etc etc seem to be determined not accept the democratic result and to do everything they can to get their own way. If the vote had gone the other way, my attitude would have been "Oh well silly sods for believing all the brexit fears, we had our chance and now we are stuck with it"
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Old 07-12-2016, 17:21
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It`s not acceptable. But if you think about it it`s not hard to understand. Many people, including myself think the referendum campaign was the most dishonest by far in living memory. The remain camp weren`t entirely blameless (that idiotic "emergency budget"), but the Leave camp were in another league. And when they were asked any awkward questions they just said "project fear" (totally meaningless), or even worse, the public have had enough of experts !
Speaking for myself, I could have accepted a large majority result from a dishonest campaign, or a small majority result from an honest campaign, but not a small majority result from a dishonest campaign.
Then there`s the Brexit lot saying the public voted for a complete ("hard") Brexit, which can`t possibly be true. 48% voted against that, and, I`m prepared to bet, more than 4% of those who voted Leave don`t even know hat the single market is.
I would imagine that is equally true for those who voted to remain.
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Old 07-12-2016, 17:31
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Brexiteers : more aggressive than Remainers ?

They're the ones who actually won and yet they are the same ones who are more abusive online and in real life if they feel that their "huge and overwhelming victory" is being challenged so much so that some of them are making online threats to kill and maim.

It's not helped by scurrilous rags like the Mail, Sun, Express and Telegraph which are encouraging the baying Brexiteer mob to storm the Supreme Court and lynch every judge.
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Old 07-12-2016, 18:27
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Is it a few..? It's very difficult to quantify just how many of either group is involved in this or that behaviour.

What is indisputable is that the country is very badly divided on this issue. There is bad feeling, especially about the lies that the Leave campaign spread in order to win their vote, and the increase in racist activity since.

I said at the time of the campaign that not all Leave voters are racists, but it's a pretty safe bet that all racists are leave voters. The outcome of the referendum has encouraged them and is acting as a catalyst for the rise of extremist right wing groups who are becoming increasingly aggressive in the promotion of their agenda.

When all this is over and Britain is out of the EU, both leave and remain voters are going to have to live in the same country and elect a government that will represent ALL the people, not just those of whichever group they supported at the Referendum.

The country is divided and what worries me is that, amongst all the bickering and arguing about how Brexit will be achieved, nobody seems to be doing anything at all about reuniting it.
It has been divided for years. People have only just realised. As long as the status quo held sway, the growing undercurrent of discontent on so many levels was easily ignored.

But the fact that over half of the electorate voted against the status quo, despite the massive barrage of establishment propaganda day after day leading up to the referendum, reminds us just how Eurosceptic this country is. I suspect the the number voting Brexit would have been much higher had many voters not been frightened into voting remain by the chorus of gloom and doom from the remain camp.
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:29
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As somebody who voted to leave the EU, I think most of the aggression has been on the leave side. The murder of an MP, the attacks on immigrants, and the threats against people who are challenging the decision have all come from people who want the UK to leave the EU.

Both sides were essentially coalitions. The leave side attracted the support of nationalists. Nationalists tend to be more aggressive, as the people of Scotland who want Scotland to be part of the UK had already discovered prior to the 24th of June.
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:46
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Let me get this straight, not only are 'we' (the people who want to leave the EU) labelled as ignorant, racist, thick, common, lower class etc. but now we are aggressive too!

The most vitriol and aggression I've witnessed throughout this entire process so far has come from people who voted to remain! I've been completely flummoxed by it.
I should start by saying I voted 'Leave'

This has been my experience too, on the day of the result and to a certain extent even now I'm seeing the same vitriol from those who voted 'Remain'

On the day I saw a woman who always came across as an accepting person have shouting arguments with one of her former teachers because in her mind "the old people have wrecked my future", " Old, racist people shouldn't be allowed to vote ", " Old people don't know what they were voting for "

It went on and on like this and she couldn't comprehend that others my have a different opinion to her, that the "old" teacher in his late 40's had never been given a vote or that nobody under 61 had ever had a vote either.

I still see it now with sneering little comments and posts. Usually coupled with offensive language and always with accusations of racist, xenophobia, little Englander and uneducated.

But I saw the same people say almost the same things after the last election result. There seems to be a small, but extremely vocal group of people who don't believe that anybody other than the uneducated knuckle dragging racists would vote Conservative. As it became clear the Tories had won they were making comments such as "Nobody voted Conservative, this is a stich up"

What they actually meant was "Nobody I know voted Tory or admitted it to me so it can't possibly be right"
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Old 07-12-2016, 21:02
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The most aggressive acts have come from Brexiters, whereas Remainers have a heck of a lot more people carrying out aggression from the lowest degree upwards.
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