Respecting the 48 per cent

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allaorta

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by clinch:
“Still no answer. Would 52:48 in favour of Remain have meant that we would not fully remain in the EU?”

We would have remained, only to find that in all probability the deals allegedly struck by Cameron would have failed to be passed by the European Parliament.

andykn

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by clinch:
“I keep hearing from the Remain camp that we must respect the wishes of the 48 per cent who wanted to remain in the EU.

I have still to find anyone who will tell me how that would have worked had the result of the referendum been reversed. How would the wishes of the 48 per cent who wanted to leave the EU have been respected in those circumstances?

Would it have meant withdrawing to the EEA, for example?”

No Schengen, no Euro, and all the other opt outs we have would have been maintained as well as the extra concessions Cameron negotated.

trunkster

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by aurichie:
“A majority of eligible voters DID NOT back brexit.”

Oh here we go again.

andykn

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by allaorta:
“We would have remained, only to find that in all probability the deals allegedly struck by Cameron would have failed to be passed by the European Parliament.”

And in the unlikely event of that happening you could have legitimately asked for a second referendum.

batdude_uk1

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by trunkster:
“Oh here we go again.”

Yup, probably the same sort of people still going on about Hillary winning the popular vote in America!

As if either makes a shred of difference!

aurichie

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by trunkster:
“Oh here we go again.”

It's a fact worth repeating, although I understand it is rather an inconvenient truth for the rabid brexiteers.

Fried Kickin

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by aurichie:
“A majority of eligible voters DID NOT back brexit.”

Comedy Gold

andykn

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by bass55:
“The problem with that scenario is that, had the UK voted to Remain, there would be no 'status quo' because the EU is a constantly evolving institution. It continues to acquire more and more powers from national Parliaments through the numerous treaties.

The status quo was never on the ballot paper. It was a choice between leave or gradual, further integration.”

But at each turn we get the choice whether to participate in the further integration. So we're not in Schengen, the Euro, and have numerous other opt outs.

batdude_uk1

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by aurichie:
“It's a fact worth repeating, although I understand it is rather an inconvenient truth for the rabid brexiteers.”

A totally worthless fact, but you still hold it close to your heart, if it makes you feel any better.

Mr Oleo Strut

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by John146:
“If the vote had been reversed then surely the status quo would exist, no need to respect the views of the minority”

Not at all, Cameron and his government had already been deeply discredited and many problems exposed, of which relations with the EU were only one.

John146

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut:
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Not at all, Cameron and his government had already been deeply discredited and many problems exposed, of which relations with the EU were only one.”

Might I suggest if the vote had been to remain, Cameron would not have resigned, and I presume no further action would have been taken

corf

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by aurichie:
“A majority of eligible voters DID NOT back brexit.”

Likewise a majority of eligible voters did not back remaining in the EEC in 1975.

Only 17m of 40m wanted to remain, under your logic we should have left long ago.

Sues

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Doesn't matter leave is the change in the status quo and needed a majority of eligible voters to be seen to have anything like a mandate. It didn't happen, so now we need to find a sensible solution that isn't economically ruinous.”

Actually, a majority of eligible VOTERS did vote leave. The ones that couldn't be naffed to vote are of no consequence.

NorthernNinny

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by aurichie:
“It's a fact worth repeating, although I understand it is rather an inconvenient truth for the rabid brexiteers.”

Here you are again throwing insults around.

Must get a bit cold in that glass house of yours.

aurichie

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Sues:
“Actually, a majority of eligible VOTERS did vote leave. The ones that couldn't be naffed to vote are of no consequence.”

Wrong. It was only around 36% of eligible voters who actually voted to leave the EU.

Granny McSmith

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Wrong. It was only around 36% of eligible voters who actually voted to leave the EU.”

What percentage of eligible voters actually voted to remain in the EU?

batdude_uk1

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Wrong. It was only around 36% of eligible voters who actually voted to leave the EU.”

The only people that matter are those that voted, and those that voted, voted to leave.

End of.

No other stats are necessary, or worth putting forward.

eggchen

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by aurichie:
“A majority of eligible voters DID NOT back brexit.”

Yeah but it's votes that count yeah?

I mean, the majority of the UK didn't back that lass to win "I'm a Celebrity" at the weekend, but she won because of those that did bother to vote, right?

Mr Oleo Strut

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“The only people that matter are those that voted, and those that voted, voted to leave.

End of.

No other stats are necessary, or worth putting forward.”

The referendum was consultative only and politically worthless.

allaorta

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Referendums are different and are treated different in most other countries of the world who more routinely use them to decide important issues. You'll find minimum requirements to effectuate change in pretty much all of them in order to ensure there is a strong mandate to deliver change.

Of course, we didn't necessarily need minimum stated requirements in our referendum because it was only an advisory referendum anyway. It was always going to come back to the politicians to sort it out, and they now have to respect the reality that a majority of eligible voters did not back brexit.”

A majority of eligible voters do not back either MPs, parties or government. This referendum brought out a higher percentage of voters than have been seen for a long time. Take it thqat those who didn't turn out had no concerns whether we stayed in or left.

Anyway, why should it worry you, you're in Switzerland or on Barra or some other soil, aren't you? You see it's OK for you not to kkep your promise but not OK for the government.

NorthernNinny

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut:
“The referendum was consultative only and politically worthless.”

Funny I don't remember anyone from either side claiming that pre election.

Must be just you then!

allaorta

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by andykn:
“And in the unlikely event of that happening you could have legitimately asked for a second referendum.”

Good to see you've still got your hurdy-gurdy.

snowy ghost

07-12-2016

I have no respect for anyone who voted leave

clinch

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by NorthernNinny:
“Funny I don't remember anyone from either side claiming that pre election.

Must be just you then!”

Was the Iceland result in the summer just consultative? Can we have another go?

batdude_uk1

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut:
“The referendum was consultative only and politically worthless.”

Yeah, sure sounds pretty politically worthless to me, with no one paying any attention to the result of it whatsoever!

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