Originally Posted by snowy ghost:
“I have no respect for anyone who voted leave”
“I have no respect for anyone who voted leave”
And why should anyone who voted leave want your respect anyway?
Respecting the 48 per cent
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Originally Posted by snowy ghost:
“I have no respect for anyone who voted leave”
“I have no respect for anyone who voted leave”
Oh, no! I'm devastated.
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Doesn't matter leave is the change in the status quo and needed a majority of eligible voters to be seen to have anything like a mandate. It didn't happen, so now we need to find a sensible solution that isn't economically ruinous.”
“Doesn't matter leave is the change in the status quo and needed a majority of eligible voters to be seen to have anything like a mandate. It didn't happen, so now we need to find a sensible solution that isn't economically ruinous.”
Your old joke, but still laughable in view of the fact that when you had "called it" for Remain on this very forum back in June, you pompously demanded that everyone respect the result and go with it.
Originally Posted by snowy ghost:
“I have no respect for anyone who voted leave”
“I have no respect for anyone who voted leave”
Millions of us shunned by you. How will we cope?
Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut:
“As a Remainer, I can state that if the referendum result had been reversed, I would have expected the government to respect the views of the minority, and not try and slip devious moves under the Parliamentary carpet. The May government is behaving disgracefully, its credibility has been shattered and it has been proved to be untrustworthy.”
“As a Remainer, I can state that if the referendum result had been reversed, I would have expected the government to respect the views of the minority, and not try and slip devious moves under the Parliamentary carpet. The May government is behaving disgracefully, its credibility has been shattered and it has been proved to be untrustworthy.”
All the devious moves as regards our membership of the EU have been made over the last twenty odd years. We were voting to accept Cameron's new deal or leave. I have no idea how compromise with Leavers would have been possible if the result had been Remain and I am sure you can give us no examples. The vote would have accepted Cameron's new deal. Cameron and the Tories had already said the EU was not working for Britain and that is why the new deal had been negotiated.
Originally Posted by snowy ghost:
“I have no respect for anyone who voted leave”
“I have no respect for anyone who voted leave”
Something tells me they won't be losing any sleep over it.
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Referendums are different and are treated different in most other countries of the world who more routinely use them to decide important issues. You'll find minimum requirements to effectuate change in pretty much all of them in order to ensure there is a strong mandate to deliver change.
Of course, we didn't necessarily need minimum stated requirements in our referendum because it was only an advisory referendum anyway. It was always going to come back to the politicians to sort it out, and they now have to respect the reality that a majority of eligible voters did not back brexit.”
“Referendums are different and are treated different in most other countries of the world who more routinely use them to decide important issues. You'll find minimum requirements to effectuate change in pretty much all of them in order to ensure there is a strong mandate to deliver change.
Of course, we didn't necessarily need minimum stated requirements in our referendum because it was only an advisory referendum anyway. It was always going to come back to the politicians to sort it out, and they now have to respect the reality that a majority of eligible voters did not back brexit.”
In this respect though the referendum was dealing with Remain in the EU with the new deal or Leave the EU. The Tory government had already won an election based on the premise that the EU was not working for the UK so the status quo had already been rejected by the Government and by the electorate in a general election. So both options were changes and as such just needed a majority as the Remain camp accepted until the morning of 24th June.
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Referendums are different and are treated different in most other countries of the world who more routinely use them to decide important issues. You'll find minimum requirements to effectuate change in pretty much all of them in order to ensure there is a strong mandate to deliver change.
Of course, we didn't necessarily need minimum stated requirements in our referendum because it was only an advisory referendum anyway. It was always going to come back to the politicians to sort it out, and they now have to respect the reality that a majority of eligible voters did not back brexit.”
“Referendums are different and are treated different in most other countries of the world who more routinely use them to decide important issues. You'll find minimum requirements to effectuate change in pretty much all of them in order to ensure there is a strong mandate to deliver change.
Of course, we didn't necessarily need minimum stated requirements in our referendum because it was only an advisory referendum anyway. It was always going to come back to the politicians to sort it out, and they now have to respect the reality that a majority of eligible voters did not back brexit.”
How do you know which way that those who didn't vote, would have voted? It's impossible to quantify unless you ask every single one, oh wait, we already have and they couldn't be arsed to respond, so why does their view matter if they didn't care enough to vote?.
I know of 2 people who didn't vote and that was because they couldn't give a toss about the result either way, and if any people who wanted to remain couldn't be arsed to vote then their opinion is immaterial, as are those who would have voted leave and couldn't be bothered.
I don't recall you ever caring about the the 64% who actually voted against your beloved Tory party (or is that 76% when you include non-voters?), nor castigating them for setting the referendum rules how you would have liked, nor putting a plan in place incase leave won, instead of doing a runner.
Originally Posted by snowy ghost:
“I have no respect for anyone who voted leave”
“I have no respect for anyone who voted leave”
Oh dear, that's spoilt my christmas now
Originally Posted by James_Orton:
“The vote is over, we're all brexiteers now and so all our views should be equal.”
“The vote is over, we're all brexiteers now and so all our views should be equal.”
Ah, nothing like the zeal of a convert.
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“Oh, no! I'm devastated.”
“Oh, no! I'm devastated.
”
Now is the time for smugness. Enjoy it.
The country is split down the middle. When the damage starts to be truly done, the loathing will increase.
That so many couldn't give two figs about the unity of the country just reveals their utter arrogance. It will come back to bite them on the arse, be of no doubt.
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“Now is the time for smugness. Enjoy it.
The country is split down the middle. When the damage starts to be truly done, the loathing will increase.
That so many couldn't give two figs about the unity of the country just reveals their utter arrogance. It will come back to bite them on the arse, be of no doubt.”
“Now is the time for smugness. Enjoy it.
The country is split down the middle. When the damage starts to be truly done, the loathing will increase.
That so many couldn't give two figs about the unity of the country just reveals their utter arrogance. It will come back to bite them on the arse, be of no doubt.”
It is not split down the middle it is those who have no opinion one way or the other who did not vote and those who have a strong opinion as regards Leave then there is a sizeable rump of voters who wished to Remain who do not represent half by any stretch. The unity of the country does not depend on being in a political union the unity of the country depends on accepting democratic decisions for better or worse. As we have all been doing as regards the EU for over 40 years and as regards any Government for scores of years.
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“Ah, nothing like the zeal of a convert.”
“Ah, nothing like the zeal of a convert.”
Luckily most remainers, like myself, are not throwing temper tantrums and threatening to leave the country if they don't get their way. Most are adults and certainly understand that the vote means we're all leaving the EU.
Better to get on board and be part of the solution, than left on the sidelines all bitter and forgotten.
Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut:
“The referendum was consultative only and politically worthless.”
“The referendum was consultative only and politically worthless.”
So why, are you so het up about it and banging on about who voted what and people who couldn't be arsed to vote in it? Just chill.
Originally Posted by snowy ghost:
“I have no respect for anyone who voted leave”
“I have no respect for anyone who voted leave”
So by your thinking why should anyone who voted leave have any respect for anyone who voted remain? Shouldn't we just try and get along?
Originally Posted by clinch:
“Was the Iceland result in the summer just consultative? Can we have another go?
”
“Was the Iceland result in the summer just consultative? Can we have another go?
”
What! and be humiliated again!
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“A majority of eligible voters DID NOT back brexit.”
“A majority of eligible voters DID NOT back brexit.”
However many times you say it you can't get around the fact that a greater majority of eligible voters DID NOT back remain.
You can't just assume those that didn't vote would have voted remain. They had the chance to vote and didn't.
The only ones that count are the ones that bothered to actually make the effort to vote. That's how it works and how it's always worked. You can't move the goalposts just because you didn't get the result you wanted.
Suggest you actually embrace it and work to make it successful rather than carping on the sidelines.
Originally Posted by Talma:
“So why, are you so het up about it and banging on about who voted what and people who couldn't be arsed to vote in it? Just chill.
So by your thinking why should anyone who voted leave have any respect for anyone who voted remain? Shouldn't we just try and get along?”
“So why, are you so het up about it and banging on about who voted what and people who couldn't be arsed to vote in it? Just chill.
So by your thinking why should anyone who voted leave have any respect for anyone who voted remain? Shouldn't we just try and get along?”
No I am now shunning anyone who voted leave
Originally Posted by snowy ghost:
“No I am now shunning anyone who voted leave”
“No I am now shunning anyone who voted leave”
Well goodbye, I do hope you and your fellow Remainers enjoy the rest of their lives..
Originally Posted by snowy ghost:
“No I am now shunning anyone who voted leave”
“No I am now shunning anyone who voted leave”
Do you not respect democracy? Are you more a communist than a democrat? Harsh question I realise, but for someone to seriously only accept people from their side of the argument is not democratic. I voted leave but some of my friends and family voted Remain. We know how each of us voted and we are still friends and we still think the world of each other. After all, why wouldn't we? people will always have different views and opinions in a democratic society, and thank heaven we are allowed to express them both publicly and in a voting booth. I think your "I don't like you, you voted differently to me" attitude sums up all that is wrong with modern democracy. It seems democracy is only democracy if it's something you can either afford to buy or if it delivers the result you want.
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“A majority of eligible voters DID NOT back brexit.”
“A majority of eligible voters DID NOT back brexit.”
True, and as much as the Brexiters whinge about negativity from Remainers I shudder to think of the backlash had the vote gone the other way- with the same percentages.
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“Now is the time for smugness. Enjoy it.
The country is split down the middle. When the damage starts to be truly done, the loathing will increase.
That so many couldn't give two figs about the unity of the country just reveals their utter arrogance. It will come back to bite them on the arse, be of no doubt.”
“Now is the time for smugness. Enjoy it.
The country is split down the middle. When the damage starts to be truly done, the loathing will increase.
That so many couldn't give two figs about the unity of the country just reveals their utter arrogance. It will come back to bite them on the arse, be of no doubt.”
I have only come across divisions on politics forums. Outside, in the real world, people are just continuing getting on with each other and living their lives. There is no hatred or animosity unless of course you live in a special house built by The Guardian!
The subject on the street presently is, believe it or not, Christmas. Where families are making plans to spend time with each other. And those families will be full of people who voted differently in the referendum but who are also intelligent enough to know that love, support and the union of family is far more important than politics.
By the way trevgo, I genuinely hope you have a happy and a peaceful Christmas. We are all British citizens who should look out for each other, regardless as to what our views are and who or what we vote for.
Originally Posted by Blairdennon:
“All the devious moves as regards our membership of the EU have been made over the last twenty odd years. We were voting to accept Cameron's new deal or leave. I have no idea how compromise with Leavers would have been possible if the result had been Remain and I am sure you can give us no examples. The vote would have accepted Cameron's new deal. Cameron and the Tories had already said the EU was not working for Britain and that is why the new deal had been negotiated.”
“All the devious moves as regards our membership of the EU have been made over the last twenty odd years. We were voting to accept Cameron's new deal or leave. I have no idea how compromise with Leavers would have been possible if the result had been Remain and I am sure you can give us no examples. The vote would have accepted Cameron's new deal. Cameron and the Tories had already said the EU was not working for Britain and that is why the new deal had been negotiated.”
I already have given examples of how Brexiters would have been catered for should we have voted to stay. No Schengen, no Euro, few if any of the many other opt outs we have would have been given up.
Originally Posted by Blairdennon:
“In this respect though the referendum was dealing with Remain in the EU with the new deal or Leave the EU. The Tory government had already won an election based on the premise that the EU was not working for the UK so the status quo had already been rejected by the Government and by the electorate in a general election. So both options were changes and as such just needed a majority as the Remain camp accepted until the morning of 24th June.”
“In this respect though the referendum was dealing with Remain in the EU with the new deal or Leave the EU. The Tory government had already won an election based on the premise that the EU was not working for the UK so the status quo had already been rejected by the Government and by the electorate in a general election. So both options were changes and as such just needed a majority as the Remain camp accepted until the morning of 24th June.”
But Brexit didn't, Farage's "unfinished business".
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Do you not respect democracy? Are you more a communist than a democrat? Harsh question I realise, but for someone to seriously only accept people from their side of the argument is not democratic. I voted leave but some of my friends and family voted Remain. We know how each of us voted and we are still friends and we still think the world of each other. After all, why wouldn't we? people will always have different views and opinions in a democratic society, and thank heaven we are allowed to express them both publicly and in a voting booth. I think your "I don't like you, you voted differently to me" attitude sums up all that is wrong with modern democracy. It seems democracy is only democracy if it's something you can either afford to buy or if it delivers the result you want.”
“Do you not respect democracy? Are you more a communist than a democrat? Harsh question I realise, but for someone to seriously only accept people from their side of the argument is not democratic. I voted leave but some of my friends and family voted Remain. We know how each of us voted and we are still friends and we still think the world of each other. After all, why wouldn't we? people will always have different views and opinions in a democratic society, and thank heaven we are allowed to express them both publicly and in a voting booth. I think your "I don't like you, you voted differently to me" attitude sums up all that is wrong with modern democracy. It seems democracy is only democracy if it's something you can either afford to buy or if it delivers the result you want.”
I respect democracy but do not respect leave voters
Am starting to hate some of them
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“I have only come across divisions on politics forums. Outside, in the real world, people are just continuing getting on with each other and living their lives. There is no hatred or animosity unless of course you live in a special house built by The Guardian!
The subject on the street presently is, believe it or not, Christmas. Where families are making plans to spend time with each other. And those families will be full of people who voted differently in the referendum but who are also intelligent enough to know that love, support and the union of family is far more important than politics.
By the way trevgo, I genuinely hope you have a happy and a peaceful Christmas. We are all British citizens who should look out for each other, regardless as to what our views are and who or what we vote for.”
“I have only come across divisions on politics forums. Outside, in the real world, people are just continuing getting on with each other and living their lives. There is no hatred or animosity unless of course you live in a special house built by The Guardian!
The subject on the street presently is, believe it or not, Christmas. Where families are making plans to spend time with each other. And those families will be full of people who voted differently in the referendum but who are also intelligent enough to know that love, support and the union of family is far more important than politics.
By the way trevgo, I genuinely hope you have a happy and a peaceful Christmas. We are all British citizens who should look out for each other, regardless as to what our views are and who or what we vote for.”
This is the real world
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“A majority of eligible voters DID NOT back brexit.”
“A majority of eligible voters DID NOT back brexit.”
You can't count those that didn't want their vote to be counted.
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