I havent said I will not be posting on here

Why is that?

Why do you hate people for having a view contrary to your own? That is seriously disturbing!

It really isn't. Digital Spy is nothing like the real world.

Had we voted to stay in the EU by 52 to 48 we would have stayed in the EU.
The rest of the EU would have taken it as notification that the British Government no longer had a mandate to stall, negotiate opt-outs and generally be a pain as they had been for the last 40 years. They would have seen it as the end of British resistance to further integration and continued on their path with renewed vigour.
The British politicians would have realised that they had a problem. With 48% against the status quo they would realise that there was votes in change. But that change would have been limited to trying harder to mitigate the effects of Eastern European immigration – arguing for more money for schools, hospitals and other public services, but probably falling short of actually doing much about it. They may have been able to put a temporary brake on benefits to newcomers and may have even looked at restrictions on non EU immigration. But it all wouldn’t have amounted to much.

It wouldn’t have amounted to withdrawing to the EEA as there would have been a mandate to stay in the EU. There would only have been that one option.

But we are not in that position. We are in a position where we must withdraw from the EU. We must also find a new relationship with the EU. That’s because it is very big and very close and our biggest trading partner. It will also only enter into any trading relationship as a block, not as separate countries. It’s not something that it’s sensible not to make a decision about.

So the discussion now is about what that relationship should be. And unlike what the position would have been with a remain majority, with leave there is more than one option.

When it comes to trade are options ranging from no formal relationship at all (the WTO option currently only used by Madagascar, Djibouti and two other African countries) through partial arrangements such as a CETA type trade deal or staying in the Customs Union all the way through to an EFTA/EEA deal. Basically anything that can be negotiated in the time. (In practise, the time and the position taken by the EU may mean the actual options are very limited.)

What respecting the 48% means to me is acknowledging that nearly half want a very close relationship with the EU and that their opinion still counts in deciding the new UK/EU relationship. Its determining that relationship its not just about the 52% who voted leave but the opinions and interests of everyone, and so everyone has the right to campaign for their opinion.

So whereas if remain has won it would have been winner take all because there would have only been one option, with a leave victory the position is different.

I know!

Some people are just acting like babies, throwing tantrums just because the result did not go their way.

A bigger majority did not vote to remain.

I respect the people who voted to remain but not their choice.

When my team beats Chelsea this coming Saturday, I will still respect Chelsea and their fans.

However, I will still want the 3 points !!!!

A majority of eligible voters DID NOT back remain!

Exactly!!

I very much doubt your first sentence given the tone of your subsequent ones.

I'm sure we would have done but Farage said before the referendum if that had been the result then it would be "unfinished business" and would keep on campaigning.

It means incorporating the wants and wishes of Remainers into any new EU-UK deal. 100% of the UK population didn't vote Leave did it. The share/closeness/balance of the vote needs to dictate the compromise deal going forward.

Well said Mr Strut. As ever, an articulate contribution from your goodself.

They were all part of the new deal that was being voted on anyway. How on earth can they be a compromise with the Leave position?

Funny that nobody incorporated the wants and wishes of those who didn't want to be in the EU. 100% didn't vote to remain in 75 and there was no compromise deal then.

What makes you and the other disgruntled remainers so special now.

I have yet to hear how the Leave side would have been afforded any compromise if the vote had gone the other way. Would we have partially come out, repatriated more powers than agreed by Cameron, had greater restrictions than negotiated on FOM?

Yes, he was talking about doing it through UKIP and taking it a lot further by contesting all seats possible in the 2020 election, in the usual democratic manner, not marching through the streets wanting old people dead and such like some Remainers. The whole reason UKIP exists was to contest the original referendum in '75' the result of which was not popular with a lot of people but was accepted by the Out voters when they lost.


I don't remember the Out voters in 1975 getting any consideration whatever, it was 'tough, the majority have spoken, we're in the Common Market and that's that.' And guess what, that was reluctantly accepted and the world moved on.

I'm not sure where the "wanting old people dead" bit comes from but only a few weeks ago Farage was going to march 100,000 people onto the Supreme Court (whatever happened to that?) and was warning of "trouble on the streets".

What is it you think should happen? That the UK makeS a 52% exit from the EU?

The referendum was in, or out. One question with two answers, yes or no. There won't be any kind of proportional representation.

Really? Try this?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl-HTQVWgAE5oEG.jpg
And some genuine tweets:
... how long till enough old people die to erase #Brexit majority? Has anyone worked that out?
What's sad is that old people who will mostly die in the next 2-5 minutes had such a big impact on a future they will never see.
#Brexit: Proof that old racist people can burn everything down and then die before it really has anything to do with them.
Dear old people who voted brexit to "Get My Country Back". You can die now, your job is done, the young are f*d. Don't let us detain you
thanks for screwing us over, old people. we won't forget when it's time to choose which care home you'll die in

Well the ones who didn't vote don't count then. You could equally say that the majority of eligible voters did not back Remain.
They don't count. Those numbers are screwed up and thrown in the waste paper basket.
If you don't vote then there's no vote to take into account one way or the other.

In a general election we are never ever told that we have to respect the side that didn't win. If you vote Labour and Conservative won, then that's it. Likewise if you voted Conservative and Labour won, that's that. You move on. There's never been this oh but you've got to respect the voters who didn't win. I don't think I've ever seen that happen in my lifetime. When does anyone ever say that?

I suppose you are supposed to respect the people in a general sense, but that's a pointless sentence if you respect people anyway in normal everyday life whether there's a vote for something or not.

What does that even mean though? Whatever the outcome the British public will all be treated the same. It's not as if people who voted Remain are going to be punished due to the way they voted due to some legislation which is passed which will be painful for all Remain voters.

Of course I'll respect you if you didn't vote the same way as me. Why wouldn't I?
However my level of respect will vary depending on how individuals act and conduct themselves. But that would be the same whether we were in a vote for something or not.

With the outcome of the vote and how things progress I wish the best for every citizen of the country. That's what I voted for. I voted for what I believed was in the best interests of the UK. There's no disrespect involved. I wish the best for everyone. Because it simply wouldn't work if I didn't vote with that in mind.

That's how I'd like to see it. People are not all the same, we can't be thinking of people like masses of people who think one thing or another. Right now we should all be wanting what's best for the UK. The vote was a binary choice between leave or stay, you don't continue defining yourself as that kind of binary person for the rest of your life.

Many variables will be involved over the coming year, so that 48% won't exist anymore as many different people will form new opinions based on the shifting changes which will occur during that period of time. Some Remainers will disagree with other Remainers on some matters, and some Leavers will disagree with other Leavers on some matters. That 48% is a meaningless number which is simply a head count. When we're out of the EU there will be other differences of opinion to debate over which will be more pressing when that time comes.

Yes, but I'd take heart in the belief that that's going to be a minority of people. I don't believe for a second that most people who voted Remain are anywhere near as bad as that. There are always going to be idiots on the extremes.