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Old 07-12-2016, 17:56
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Another leak, this time a letter from current Transport Minister Chris Grayling to Boris Johnson over Boris's desire as London Mayor for TfL to take control of trains in London...

Mr Grayling explained that central government must retain control of the network to keep it 'out of the clutches' of a future Labour mayor.

Yesterday Mr Grayling announced he would not be handing control of routes currently operated by Southeastern to London Mayor Sadiq Khan, dismissing the plan as 'deckchair shifting' that would be unfair for passengers who use the rail line outside of London.

In a dramatic development, Conservative MP for Bromley and Chislehurst in south east London, said of Mr Grayling: 'He's done a great deal of harm to London commuters who would've benefited significantly. I think he should go.'
Taxi or is that a train for Mr. Grayling.

Yet another deceitful BReximoron exposed.
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Old 07-12-2016, 17:58
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The wheels on the bus are coming off.

Saddiq's request was supported by Tories
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Old 07-12-2016, 18:02
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The wheels on the bus are coming off.

Saddiq's request was supported by Tories
Yes...there were some extremely angry words from Tory MPs lobbied at Grayling yesterday in the House, now this letter, how can a word he says be trusted.
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Old 07-12-2016, 18:05
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Grayling is a disgrace. The trains run by TFL run far better than the ones they don't run in the London area.
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Old 07-12-2016, 18:38
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Grayling is a disgrace. The trains run by TFL run far better than the ones they don't run in the London area.
Surely if TfL take control of commuter services that will extend the Mayor's powers deep in the suburbs and areas which can't vote for (or against) him
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Old 07-12-2016, 18:41
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Grayling's been a disaster wherever they put him.

And he's still failed to get Epsom into Zone 6.
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Old 07-12-2016, 18:45
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Surely if TfL take control of commuter services that will extend the Mayor's powers deep in the suburbs and areas which can't vote for (or against) him
To be fair they can't vote for or against Southern Rail at the moment either
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:11
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Surely if TfL take control of commuter services that will extend the Mayor's powers deep in the suburbs and areas which can't vote for (or against) him
Only services totally within London would be under the Mayor's control.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:14
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In an interview the Tory MP has accused Grayling of acting unlawfully.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:19
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In an interview the Tory MP has accused Grayling of acting unlawfully.
it's still not clear to me what he's done........

his decision not to give control of suburban railways to TFL might be stupid but why is it illegal ?

isn't it just a political decision ?
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:26
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Yes, Chris Grayling should go on a long journey to sackville.

( he's got a shifty looking face)
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:30
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it's still not clear to me what he's done........

his decision not to give control of suburban railways to TFL might be stupid but why is it illegal ?


isn't it just a political decision ?
He didn't want to give control over to Sadiq Khan, but had the London Mayor been a Conservative, than he would have. It shows he's incompetent in his job.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:35
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I sense a big reshuffle coming soon.

Greater London Authority really should have full control over their trains (the ones inside the Greater London region, the ones that extend to the outside the region would obviously make sense to be kept under central Govt.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:39
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He didn't want to give control over to Sadiq Khan, but had the London Mayor been a Conservative than he would have. It shows he's incompetent in his job.
isn't that politics ?
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:44
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isn't that politics ?
Bad politics.

He should be doing what the people need, not whether the Mayor is Labour or Conservative
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:44
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Does anyone else think that Grayling has always appeared to be vastly over promoted within Government. I do.

A total mediocrity.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:44
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it's still not clear to me what he's done........

his decision not to give control of suburban railways to TFL might be stupid but why is it illegal ?

isn't it just a political decision ?
The letter shows he objected on purely political grounds not the merits of the case.

Prior to the 2015 General Election Boris Johnson & the former Transport Minister campaigned on the pledged on TfL taking over the railway in London.

Now Grayling has concocted some scheme to prevent TfL taking over the railway, his decision yesterday has a whiff about it that he had pre judged and his decision was prejudicial.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:47
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Does anyone else think that Grayling has always appeared to be vastly over promoted within Government. I do.

A total mediocrity.
Peter Principle - "managers rise to the level of their incompetence" because people get chosen for how well they did in their current job, not how well they would do in a new job
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Old 07-12-2016, 21:35
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His seat of Epsom & Ewell is a very safe one with a 24,400 plus vote majority, so even if he did resign, there's no chance that the Tories will lose that seat.
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Old 07-12-2016, 21:36
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His seat of Epsom & Ewell is a very safe one with a 24,400 plus vote majority, so even if he did resign, there's no chance that the Tories will lose that seat.
Even if he stood as an independent
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Old 07-12-2016, 21:48
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To be fair they can't vote for or against Southern Rail at the moment either
Yes they can as it is in the control of the transport minister.
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Old 07-12-2016, 22:47
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The wheels on the bus are coming off.

Saddiq's request was supported by Tories
Well London Tories anyway!

Do we always do what London wants - maybe not post 23 June!

A lot of these lines extend out to Kent, Surrey and Sussex - whose residents have no vote for the Mayor of London or TfL so there would be no democratic accountability. They can at least get a say in choosing the government and influence the Secretary of State.

There is a risk those non London services could be cut to increase those in London for people who actually have a vote for the Mayor.
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Old 08-12-2016, 00:29
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it's still not clear to me what he's done........

his decision not to give control of suburban railways to TFL might be stupid but why is it illegal ?

isn't it just a political decision ?
He's meant to make a decision based on the merit of the case. If, as his letter seems to suggest, he'd be prepared to act in one way if it were a member of his own party who was Mayor but a different way if were a member of the opposition party, I'd say that there is a fairly solid claim for a judicial review.

Not that it'd be the first time, of course. The man is a ministerial disaster zone.
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Old 08-12-2016, 02:14
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I sense a big reshuffle coming soon.

Greater London Authority really should have full control over their trains (the ones inside the Greater London region, the ones that extend to the outside the region would obviously make sense to be kept under central Govt.
Southern trains mostly go long distance and just stop at places in London en route.Anything local would use the same lines in competition with long distance trains for customers, track and platforms. It would be ridiculous having TFL and the London mayor, controlling trains from Brighton and Hastings.

its also irrelevant to the problems - which are bottlenecks in built up areas that need more lines built , Nimbyism blocking options, lack of money to make the changes needed to meet demand, and the hard left dominated RMT, that's intent on striking for its own political reasons.
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:29
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When did the Oxford-Cambridge line become more important than electrification of the Great Western Line, more important than the electrification of the Midland main line, more important than the electrification of the Transpennine line?
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