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Are we still homophobic?
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jjwales
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by realwales:
“I believe homosexuality should be legal, and I am utterly opposed to people physically attacking homosexuals.

However, I am unconvinced that it is natural rather than a lifestyle choice.

Secondly, in my life, I have encountered a very large number of immature gay men in the workplace, who are also prone to tiffs and hissy fits, and general bitchiness. I've also encountered many instances of homosexual colleagues (usually men) struggling to accept discipline. Maybe it's because they're used to challenging attitudes they don't like.

Thirdly, I dislike the seedy undercurrent of gay lifestyles, namely the drug use and promiscuity that many homosexual men partake in. I know this view is shared by the homosexual journalist Simon Fanshawe.

Fourthly, anyone who won't defend the rights of people to condemn homosexual acts on religious or moral grounds doesn't believe in free speech at all.

Fifthly, I always, always turn the TV off or change channels when I see homosexuals kissing. It makes me feel uncomfortable and my instincts tell me it's abnormal and unnatural. I've also stopped watching the soaps because they've become so reliant on homosexual storylines in recent years.

I have not, and will never, attend a gay wedding. The very concept is an oxymoron to me.

I'm sure some people will be outraged by my views. I don't care. They're very, very mild compared to what most Muslims living in Britain believe.”

An unpleasant bit of trolling or a demonstration of appalling ignorance? You decide.
sorcha_healy27
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Horace Wimp:
“Of course not, you are entitled to feel the way you feel about ANYTHING you like , it's a free country, you're allowed to be repulsed, we haven't quite reached the totalitarian state were any deviation from the accepted word of the tyrannical majority is rewarded by censure.”

If the fm doesn't feel repulsed by straight couples kissing then it is homophobic I'm afraid.
BasilRathbon
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“An unpleasant bit of trolling or a demonstration of appalling ignorance? You decide.”

Neither, it's someone expressing an honest opinion that you happen to disagree with. If you feel you have to respond to them by hurling insults then it's you who is the intolerant one.
jjwales
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by BasilRathbon:
“Neither, it's someone expressing an honest opinion that you happen to disagree with. If you feel you have to respond to them by hurling insults then it's you who is the intolerant one.”

I didn't hurl any insults.
stoatie
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“An unpleasant bit of trolling or a demonstration of appalling ignorance? You decide.”

I like how he managed to get the Muslims in there at the end as well.
sorcha_healy27
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by BasilRathbon:
“Neither, it's someone expressing an honest opinion that you happen to disagree with. If you feel you have to respond to them by hurling insults then it's you who is the intolerant one.”

Bib don't make me laugh

It was a rant full of nonsensical bigotry
stoatie
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by realwales:
“However, I am unconvinced that it is natural rather than a lifestyle choice.”

Why would anyone choose to have sex with their own gender if they didn't already feel sexually attracted to them?
TheGraduate2012
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Bib don't make me laugh

It was a rant full of nonsensical bigotry”

I am truly lost for words for the first time in my life at that, Sorcha. Did someone order a Victorian?
too_much_coffee
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by realwales:
“I believe homosexuality should be legal, and I am utterly opposed to people physically attacking homosexuals.

However, I am unconvinced that it is natural rather than a lifestyle choice.

Secondly, in my life, I have encountered a very large number of immature gay men in the workplace, who are also prone to tiffs and hissy fits, and general bitchiness. I've also encountered many instances of homosexual colleagues (usually men) struggling to accept discipline. Maybe it's because they're used to challenging attitudes they don't like.

Thirdly, I dislike the seedy undercurrent of gay lifestyles, namely the drug use and promiscuity that many homosexual men partake in. I know this view is shared by the homosexual journalist Simon Fanshawe.

Fourthly, anyone who won't defend the rights of people to condemn homosexual acts on religious or moral grounds doesn't believe in free speech at all.

Fifthly, I always, always turn the TV off or change channels when I see homosexuals kissing. It makes me feel uncomfortable and my instincts tell me it's abnormal and unnatural. I've also stopped watching the soaps because they've become so reliant on homosexual storylines in recent years.

I have not, and will never, attend a gay wedding. The very concept is an oxymoron to me.

I'm sure some people will be outraged by my views. I don't care. They're very, very mild compared to what most Muslims living in Britain believe.”

Shame you couldn't have squeezed in a slur on anyone non-white and you'd have got a full house!

A little contradictory too as your fourth point defends freedom of speech to object to homosexuality on religious grounds, then you slip in a last minute dig at Muslims.
Paul237
14-12-2016
Originally Posted by realwales:
“I believe homosexuality should be legal, and I am utterly opposed to people physically attacking homosexuals.

However, I am unconvinced that it is natural rather than a lifestyle choice.

Secondly, in my life, I have encountered a very large number of immature gay men in the workplace, who are also prone to tiffs and hissy fits, and general bitchiness. I've also encountered many instances of homosexual colleagues (usually men) struggling to accept discipline. Maybe it's because they're used to challenging attitudes they don't like.

Thirdly, I dislike the seedy undercurrent of gay lifestyles, namely the drug use and promiscuity that many homosexual men partake in. I know this view is shared by the homosexual journalist Simon Fanshawe.

Fourthly, anyone who won't defend the rights of people to condemn homosexual acts on religious or moral grounds doesn't believe in free speech at all.

Fifthly, I always, always turn the TV off or change channels when I see homosexuals kissing. It makes me feel uncomfortable and my instincts tell me it's abnormal and unnatural. I've also stopped watching the soaps because they've become so reliant on homosexual storylines in recent years.

I have not, and will never, attend a gay wedding. The very concept is an oxymoron to me.

I'm sure some people will be outraged by my views. I don't care. They're very, very mild compared to what most Muslims living in Britain believe.”

I'm not outraged by your views, but I would like to address some of them.

I can assure you it's not a lifestyle choice. I accepted I was gay when I was about 16, but looking back, I was gay long before then - I just denied it to myself. Therefore, I'm entirely convinced I didn't choose it. If I had chosen my sexuality, I could just as easily change to being heterosexual and there have been times in my life when I'd have done that if I could have done.

I've never had a hissy fit in the office before and have never struggled to accept authority. I don't doubt that you've witnessed some gay men exhibit that behaviour, but I've witnessed straight people doing all those things I've never put said behaviour down to their sexuality.

Drug use and promiscuity are practiced by many heterosexual people as well as gay people. Yet when straight people do it, it's never attributed to their sexuality (I've certainly never heard it be blamed on that anyway). I'm not a promiscuous drug user and I daresay there are many gay people like me. As with any section of society, there will be lots of differences in behaviour within that group.

I do believe in free speech, but I sometimes wonder what a person has to gain from openly condemning homosexual acts -- especially if done unprompted. People should, of course, be entitled to hold whatever views they want, but most of the time such views are better kept to oneself unless people want to hurt others?

I'm fine with you not attending a gay wedding; that's entirely your choice and it's better you not attending than grudgingly going and spending the whole time with a long face.

Hopefully I've given you some food for thought anyway.
joshua321
14-12-2016
People really need to stop with the whole 'is it/isn't a choice?' thing, because quite frankly, that's just a way of saying, 'You have to feel sorry for them because they can't help it.' **** that - even if were a choice it's one that people should feel fine to make. It's just playing into prejudiced people's hands to even get caught up on this.
Jane Doh!
14-12-2016
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“It is a free country. You're allowed to be homophobic. But don't sugar coat it. If you are repulsed by something because:
- It's two men kissing instead of a man and a woman
- They're black
- It's women

Then you are homophobic/racist/sexist. If your revulsion is happening BECAUSE of sexuality/gender/race/whatever, then there's something wrong.”

The poster said they felt "uncomfortable", not repulsed.
zx50
14-12-2016
Originally Posted by realwales:
“I believe homosexuality should be legal, and I am utterly opposed to people physically attacking homosexuals.

However, I am unconvinced that it is natural rather than a lifestyle choice.

Secondly, in my life, I have encountered a very large number of immature gay men in the workplace, who are also prone to tiffs and hissy fits, and general bitchiness. I've also encountered many instances of homosexual colleagues (usually men) struggling to accept discipline. Maybe it's because they're used to challenging attitudes they don't like.

Thirdly, I dislike the seedy undercurrent of gay lifestyles, namely the drug use and promiscuity that many homosexual men partake in. I know this view is shared by the homosexual journalist Simon Fanshawe.

Fourthly, anyone who won't defend the rights of people to condemn homosexual acts on religious or moral grounds doesn't believe in free speech at all.

Fifthly, I always, always turn the TV off or change channels when I see homosexuals kissing. It makes me feel uncomfortable and my instincts tell me it's abnormal and unnatural. I've also stopped watching the soaps because they've become so reliant on homosexual storylines in recent years.

I have not, and will never, attend a gay wedding. The very concept is an oxymoron to me.

I'm sure some people will be outraged by my views. I don't care. They're very, very mild compared to what most Muslims living in Britain believe.”

You may not be convinced that it's natural but it is. Anything that hasn't been interfered with by humans is natural.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dict...nglish/natural

You say that you don't like the promiscurity of gay men. Of course, no straight people could ever be accused of promiscurity, could they? Homosexual acts don't just happen in the human race you know, they also happen between non-human species as well. I'm glad that soaps have LGBT characters in them. I don't think your post is a balanced one at all.

Edit: Not absolute proof, but...

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/...ifications-dna
MrQuike
14-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jane Doh!:
“The poster said they felt "uncomfortable", not repulsed.”

Perhaps Psychosis has a problem that causes them to perceive or interpret things differently from others.
Hackettboy
16-12-2016
Right I'm a gay man not of my own making I was born this way ,I came out after years of hurt and soul searching knowing I was different and not attracted to females ,I was captain of my football team no one would have known ,told my family and was battered by my dad and disowned sleeping on the streets of Coventry until I sorted my head out ,years later found my first bf and brought a house together we had graffiti wrote most nights on the building dog poo in the letter box even petrol poured threw the letter box but they didn't light it ,did we move hell no ,did we report it yeh ,the police told us to sell and move ,we didn't ,has it got better I'd say no in my new job first day they were talking about a gay man who worked in another office I defended him and said maybe he ain't the only puff in the company the penny dropped ,had nothing but nasty soul destroying comments and graffiti in the toilets wrote about me the manager won't do anything I dread going to work but I won't quit ever ,all I get is your not really a gay you like football etc you don't act gay ,why carnt people just except love is love whoever you find it with
TelevisionUser
16-12-2016
Are we still homophobic?

That question is perhaps best put to Ulster's DUP.
(not to be confused with Doop)

Spoiler
Hint: one is a bunch of unsmiling sourpusses and the other is not.

Spoiler
There in no pub in Northern Ireland called "The Happy Democratic Unionist"
dee123
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by realwales:
“I believe homosexuality should be legal, and I am utterly opposed to people physically attacking homosexuals.

However, I am unconvinced that it is natural rather than a lifestyle choice.

Secondly, in my life, I have encountered a very large number of immature gay men in the workplace, who are also prone to tiffs and hissy fits, and general bitchiness. I've also encountered many instances of homosexual colleagues (usually men) struggling to accept discipline. Maybe it's because they're used to challenging attitudes they don't like.

Thirdly, I dislike the seedy undercurrent of gay lifestyles, namely the drug use and promiscuity that many homosexual men partake in. I know this view is shared by the homosexual journalist Simon Fanshawe.

Fourthly, anyone who won't defend the rights of people to condemn homosexual acts on religious or moral grounds doesn't believe in free speech at all.

Fifthly, I always, always turn the TV off or change channels when I see homosexuals kissing. It makes me feel uncomfortable and my instincts tell me it's abnormal and unnatural. I've also stopped watching the soaps because they've become so reliant on homosexual storylines in recent years.

I have not, and will never, attend a gay wedding. The very concept is an oxymoron to me.

I'm sure some people will be outraged by my views. I don't care. They're very, very mild compared to what most Muslims living in Britain believe.”

What utter rubbish.
Psychosis
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jane Doh!:
“The poster said they felt "uncomfortable", not repulsed.”

Okay.

It is a free country. You're allowed to be homophobic. But don't sugar coat it. If you are uncomfortable with something because:
- It's two men kissing instead of a man and a woman
- They're black
- It's women

Then you are homophobic/racist/sexist. If your discomfort is happening BECAUSE of sexuality/gender/race/whatever, then there's something wrong.
UrGleekIsShowin
17-12-2016
Homophobia still exists, yes, my brother and father demonstrated that perfectly yesterday.

"bisexual people are pretending for attention"

"it's not natural"

"people choose to be gay because of trauma"

"lesbians are that way because they got fed up of men"

"how can you be attracted to men when there are so many attractive women"

some gems
MrQuike
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“Okay.

It is a free country. You're allowed to be homophobic. But don't sugar coat it. If you are uncomfortable with something because:
- It's two men kissing instead of a man and a woman
- They're black
- It's women

Then you are homophobic/racist/sexist. If your discomfort is happening BECAUSE of sexuality/gender/race/whatever, then there's something wrong.”

How do you know it's not just a biological response?
ajman
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by MrQuike:
“How do you know it's not just a biological response?”

The fact that homophobia was and is essentially absent from certain civilizations and cultures would suggest that it isn't. Much more likely due to an unnatural cause and common sense would say that there is a strong correlation between religion and homophobia, either directly or indirectly.
frisbie
17-12-2016
Homophobia is a natural reaction coming from heterosexuals. It is not normal to be attracted to your own sex but what if you are? Do you deny the urge and lead a life in denial, or marry a girl for appearances sake as people did when homosexuality was a criminal offense. You could cover your abnormal behaviour by a bit of gay bashing, or persecute the group you really fancy like Hoover did when he was in charge.
Throughout recorded history queers have been part of the human mix, so what?
Psychosis
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by frisbie:
“Homophobia is a natural reaction coming from heterosexuals. It is not normal to be attracted to your own sex but what if you are? Do you deny the urge and lead a life in denial, or marry a girl for appearances sake as people did when homosexuality was a criminal offense. You could cover your abnormal behaviour by a bit of gay bashing, or persecute the group you really fancy like Hoover did when he was in charge.
Throughout recorded history queers have been part of the human mix, so what?”

Homophobia is NOT a natural reaction in heterosexuals. Just because you're not attracted to someone doesn't mean that you have to be repulsed/uncomfortable/whatever. I don't find Chris Evans (American) attractive but I don't feel at all uncomfortable or repulsed when he kisses women on screen.
Sife Lucks
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by frisbie:
“Homophobia is a natural reaction coming from heterosexuals. It is not normal to be attracted to your own sex ?”

Homosexuality exists in every single form of species that ever existed. How is it not normal?
Maxatoria
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by ajman:
“The fact that homophobia was and is essentially absent from certain civilizations and cultures would suggest that it isn't. Much more likely due to an unnatural cause and common sense would say that there is a strong correlation between religion and homophobia, either directly or indirectly.”

Yep, in ancient Greece it was almost required that every man at 14 or so had a male to teach him the way that things were expected to be.

He'd generally be expected to use the moto of boys for pleasure and girls for babies shall we say.
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