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Old 07-12-2016, 19:31
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:34
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Was never really in doubt. Why the government bothered to appeal the court decision is beyond me.

Anyway have certain posters booked their flights/ferries out of the country yet?
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:34
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So let's get on with it then.
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:41
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A 327 majority in favour.

As this shows the Commoms will back triggering A50. Only the Lords can block it and they had better not dare as it would be an outrage given the clear will of the Commoms and the referendum result,
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:46
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A 327 majority in favour.

As this shows the Commoms will back triggering A50. Only the Lords can block it and they had better not dare as it would be an outrage given the clear will of the Commoms and the referendum result,
Supposing May announced she was going for a soft Brexit? That would throw a spanner in the works.
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:49
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Supposing May announced she was going for a soft Brexit? That would throw a spanner in the works.
I'm fed up with all this hard/soft Brexit jargon. Why don't we just aim to get the "best" Brexit for Britain?
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:51
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Supposing May announced she was going for a soft Brexit? That would throw a spanner in the works.
She won't the term Soft Brexit is meaningless just like Hard Brexit and Lite Brexit is.

It is about Leaving the EU which we will and getting negotiations underway and getting it sorted.
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:52
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I'm fed up with all this hard/soft Brexit jargon. Why don't we just aim to get the "best" Brexit for Britain?
It has been partly caused by there being virtually zero clarification on what people were voting for last June. People voted for Leave without having a clue whether this meant the UK would end up inside or outside the Single Market / EEA etc.
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:54
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She won't the term Soft Brexit is meaningless just like Hard Brexit and Lite Brexit is.
She wouldn't use the phrase 'soft Brexit' obviously but she could announce that she intended staying in the Single Market and would accept freedom of movement with the EU, which is what I meant by spanner in the works.
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:55
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It has been partly caused by there being virtually zero clarification on what people were voting for last June. People voted for Leave without having a clue whether this meant the UK would end up inside or outside the Single Market / EEA etc.
People know exactly what they voted for it was either to:

Remain in the EU

Or

Leave the EU

Result was to Leave and Leave we will.
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:56
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It has been partly caused by there being virtually zero clarification on what people were voting for last June. People voted for Leave without having a clue whether this meant the UK would end up inside or outside the Single Market / EEA etc.
You keep saying that. But as Andrew Neill has proved these past few weeks by showing clip, after clip, after clip of people ranging from Cameron to Johnson that people seemingly knew EXACTLY what they voted for. I think remainers and folk like your good self suggesting that leave voters went into the booth blindfolded is offensive.

It was made perfectly, utterly clear, that a vote to leave the EU was also a vote to leave the single market. Only Remain voters deny this. But, the evidence is there for all to see.
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:58
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She wouldn't use the phrase 'soft Brexit' obviously but she could announce that she intended staying in the Single Market and would accept freedom of movement with the EU, which is what I meant by spanner in the works.
That isn't what should happen and that isn't what most Leave voters want.

Theresa May knows this - no FOM at any cost, no FOM then no single market, suits me.

David Cameron said if we voted to Leave the EU then we leave the single market and I believed him, do you think he lied then?
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:00
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I'm fed up with all this hard/soft Brexit jargon. Why don't we just aim to get the "best" Brexit for Britain?
because there's no such thing as 'the best Brexit' for Britain........all 65 million people don't have the same interests
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:00
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It has been partly caused by there being virtually zero clarification on what people were voting for last June. People voted for Leave without having a clue whether this meant the UK would end up inside or outside the Single Market / EEA etc.
Rather like with any other democratic vote that is vague on the details...

It mattered not at all for those who voted, so the vote is valid.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:02
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That isn't what should happen and that isn't what most Leave voters want.

Theresa May knows this - no FOM at any cost, no FOM then no single market, suits me.
We will end up with a re-labelled (let's try and fool the minions by calling it something else) version of freedom of movement. They will call it "Visa Free Labour Entitlement" or something. I'm not naive to think that we will break entirely free from the EU.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:02
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People know exactly what they voted for it was either to:

Remain in the EU

Or

Leave the EU

Result was to Leave and Leave we will.
Out means out. Mind you I am probably a dimwit so I probably didn't know exactly what I was voting for.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:04
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because there's no such thing as 'the best Brexit' for Britain........all 65 million people don't have the same interests
But that's the point. Best for "Britain" doesn't necessarily have to mean best for the people, but what is best in the long term for Britain-the entity.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:05
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We will end up with a re-labelled (let's try and fool the minions by calling it something else) version of freedom of movement. They will call it "Visa Free Labour Entitlement" or something. I'm not naive to think that we will break entirely free from the EU.
But the EU negotiators aren't going to let us pick and mix!

It isn't up to us.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:11
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But that's the point. Best for "Britain" doesn't necessarily have to mean best for the people, but what is best in the long term for Britain-the entity.
There isn't really such a thing as 'Britain - The Entity' apart from the 65 million people with all their differing interests

Without the people Britain is just a lump of rock
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:15
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Fantastic news, I could gloat and say labour were played like a fiddle but I shall instead be magnanimous and congratulate labour on standing up for democracy and not playing the silly games.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:16
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But the EU negotiators aren't going to let us pick and mix!

It isn't up to us.
The EU won't give a flying fig what the UK re-name Freedom of Movement" as long as the UK accepts freedom of Movement.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:17
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Was never really in doubt. Why the government bothered to appeal the court decision is beyond me.

Anyway have certain posters booked their flights/ferries out of the country yet?
Because they haven't a plan and are stalling. As anyone with half a brain cell can see the government haven't an established position themselves. There are playing a pathetic game of playing the public using the right wing press. Anyone who even asks for detail are being called traitors / remoaners. It really is gutter stuff. Time is running out though they are going to have to take responsibliity and now put a plan to Parliament before March.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:18
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There isn't really such a thing as 'Britain - The Entity' apart from the 65 million people with all their differing interests

Without the people Britain is just a lump of rock
Britain was here before the people were! It's all about the economy stupid!
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:21
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The EU won't give a flying fig what the UK re-name Freedom of Movement" as long as the UK accepts freedom of Movement.
Oh yes they will. There is no way they are going to let UK government lie to its public that they haven't accepted FOM by calling it something else.. What matters to EU is their population and what they think. The last thing they want is for UK to be seen to have a deal that is as good as their population have.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:21
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A 327 majority in favour.

As this shows the Commoms will back triggering A50. Only the Lords can block it and they had better not dare as it would be an outrage given the clear will of the Commoms and the referendum result,
No, that is the second revising chamber of the UK's parliament and (just like the Supreme Court judges) neither you nor anyone else should be telling them what to do or be mobbing them.

That said, and as we have seen today, both major parties support the Brexit vote in principle so that situation will not arise anyway.

This "Let's lynch whoever might possibly get in the way of Brexit" mob rule attitude is both very disturbing and poisonous in character it's not that far removed from the Salem witch hunt episode.

This is an instructive tale: The Crucible
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