What baffles me is what treaty has been changed?

It doesn't. Both main parties have MPs who will never vote to Leave. both have people who will insist, on' contradictory' requirements.

Labour seems to be edging towards demanding access to the customs union . That's incompatible with some of what Leave promised , and what the Tory right can vote for.

Labour also has no agreement within it on immigration , and accepting immigration control would force the party issue , or leave them unable to back the plan.

Labour will want the Tories to be committed to the unobtainable - so they are seen to fail, and they will gain political advantage.

And they will want to list unobtainable economic ends , so they can blame the Tories when the economy slumps . their best plan is still to make an utopian list - and then try and get votes when its not met.

This still has a long way to run .

One option may be for May to table the immigration issue first - because that dictates the economic solution . She could call a debate on something like -

This house agrees that the referendum result demands the reintroduction of some effective, national, control of immigration


That gives her a priority her MPs will all back - and it blows Labour apart, while driving Labour and Liberals away from the voter's view.

Once the priority is approved, the answer to most economic issues is we will get the best deal we can after establishing that immigration control.

Gina Miller, Nick Clegg, Tony Blair and Remoaners.. your boys took one hell of a beating !

now we finally can move on and get on with Brexit. Remoaners have to lump it or move.

This is what unity looks like. Supreme Court doesn't matter. Labour has given the Tories the blank cheque they wanted !

chiangmai1 3 hours ago
all those mp,s who support leave will keep the seats.the others who don,t may be out the next time a vote happens.the gina millers of the uk deserve what they get against what the people want

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/234900...iament-result/

Couldn't have put it better myself ! the rats have been exposed ! May's trap was executed perfectly, brilliantly set up. She played a blinder here.

Smug and arrogant Gina Miller, who has no business in the political arena in the first place with the big boys and girls and interfering in the will of the British people.. can now do one ! I don't think she don't care about the British people she doesn't seem patriotric.. she seem to care just about herself/her own agendas and I'm really glad she ain't stopping Brexit ! we would never never of heard the end of it.. the irony is all that money she's wasted on court fees and cases, plus travelling to the supreme court.. all for nothing !

Yes this is when you start seeing how MPs act mostly in their own interests.

I would have expected 9 too with all the Lib Dems guff on Remaining.

Its very disturbing watching her being interviewed.

The Tory 1.

My MP voted against I shan't be voting for her again.

With free movement of people it's hard to define Britain (or anywhere else in the EU) as more than a lump of rock.

It's too far along to play these silly games. Theresa May played this immigration card at Tory Party Conference and crashed the pound. They've made promises to Nissan re trade and no doubt others behind closed doors. Any backtracking on trade is just going to crash pound again. This isn't some political game it's the future prosperity of all of us. Jobs depend on trade.

If this is Tory party tactic it's a matter of been there done that a couple of months ago and our currency bears the scars.

You do understand that a motion in Parliament has no legal standing will not in any way affect the Supreme Court's judgement?

You do understand that the motion was passed on the premise that May will have to outline her plans and must answer the question as to whether the UK will stay in the Customs Union?

You do understand that there is a huge majority in Parliament that will not pass any Act taking the UK out of the EU unless remaining in the Customs Union is confirmed?

You do understand why that is?

And I assume you also understand that the reckless appeal of the government has opened a huge can of worms? In particular the case that the Northern Irish constitution cannot legally be amended unless the people of Ireland have given their mandate. In this case the constitution would irrevocably changed by taking Northern Ireland out of the EU while the people have given no such mandate.

So rather than relying on the Sun for your information you'd be much better advised to do your own research if you really want to understand where this is all heading.

No one has changed anything.

The exit must be completed within two years from triggering Article 50. Barnier has stated the obvious - the negotiations of the divorce terms should be completed after 18 months to allow 6 months for ratification by the EU27 and UK Parliament.

In reality 6 months is a very narrow window to do this, especially considering the utter mess the UK is in being entirely unable to agree what Brexit means, amplified now by the fact that Labour (with a huge backing from other MPs) is demanding continued membership of the customs union.

Correct. May has no choice other than remaining in the Customs Union due to her promises. It is also the only option to curb FoM (apart from a dirty EEA solution).

Well, that's a possibility. There were lies on both sides, after all. Or it could be that he was just expressing an opinion which he is no longer in a position to put into practice.

So you thinks she deserves rape threats, and threats to have her kids murdered?

Well, we need to wait for the Supreme Court verdict before we can say that. And she has just as much right to use the legal system as politicians or anyone else.

Gina Miller's suit was to get the referendum, authorised by parliament. So I don't see how she has 'taken a beating.'

The government appears to have accepted it will lose the SC appeal, was in the wrong to try to use the Royal Prerogative and has been compelled to seek parliament's authorisation. So if anyone has taken a beating, it is the government.

Though by all means, beat Clegg and Blair.

But....a Home Office Minister yesterday was unable to explain how the government could negotiate its own Free Trade Deals if in the Custom Union, Andrew Neil told the Minister he hadn't a clue how and that's why he could not explain and added the government will need a Magician....I could see Boris impersonating Tommy Cooper.

I get you, however, I believe you may be peeing into gale force winds in trying to explain to some others. Your only hope is Southgate is successfull with England and the some others, go back to football realm.

Miller stood up for the people of Britain against abuse of the system by government. She did not interfere with the will of the British people. She made sure it was correctly authorised by the politicians, instead of setting a precedent whereby governments can invoke the Prerogative disingenuously and incorrectly.

We should all be grateful to her for that.

Brexiteers should be grateful as an incorrectly executed Brexit could have been nixed further down the line. By making the government follow the correct procedure, Miller has ensured that can not be used as an excuse.

So Brexiteers should be grateful to her.

You seem to have forgotten one of those behind the court case voted Leave, a MP who voted Leave resigned because parliament will not decide.

Yesterday we had the leader of the House say the government will produce their strategy plan, for a Tory Eximoron a few minutes later to point a finger at the opposition claiming only a fool would publish their strategy.....oops.

It's a choice of impeding imports and a supply chain that requires goods to arrive in hours from all over Europe (and into Europe) vs. making free trade deal with the whole world or only countries that aren't covered by EEA trade deals.

To put it into perspective - every single shipment from the UK into Europe would have to be stored at the port of entry until a customs officer gets around to opening it, examining it and then allowing it to pass. Even if the UK were to waive any customs checks on the way into the UK, the EU would not and could not do the same. This would mean that 80% of the UK manufacturing industry would not be able to work.

There may even be a case that the UK would be forced to comply with WTO rule and conduct customs checks for goods entering the UK as it would otherwise be liable to fines for treating other countries unfairly. In that case we would have chaos we have never seen before. There is no infrastructure in Dover, Norwich or Folkestone whatsoever to conduct customs checks (i.e. there are no buildings and there is no room to build them).

As Thornberry put it yesterday - every single box on a lorry or plane would need to be opened and checked prior to being allowed to pass.

Anyone who has been in Dover knows that this is impossible.

A very small trade off to say the best deal for Britain is to be restricted in making trade deals.

Oh absolutely. But I feel obligated to battle against the uninformed and utterly useless press in this country.

Heck, the Express claimed that the lawyers speaking yesterday afternoon were Miller's lawyers.

We know that.

What it has done is confirmed that Parliament will not block A50, as for the customs union as you saw yesterday what MPs threaten to or say they are going to do is somewhat different to what they actually do.

Yet another bitter and divisive post from you and you have a cheek to start a thread about how the Country can unite?

Caught a bit of HOL debate on Parliament when flicking through. Major issue for them government response (or lack of it) to the attack on judiary. If government wants to keep Lords on side they are doing a p.ss poor job of it. Why government have set about annoying MP's / Judiary / Lords over Brexit is beyond me.