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MPs have voted in favour of the Government's timetable to trigger Article 50 by March |
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So May and co come up with a plan. Parliament mulls it over and either tweaks it a bit or doesn't.
They trigger A50 and the clock starts ticking. They reject our plan. What cards do we have left .... we are leaving anyway inside two years no matter what. Seems like it doesn't matter what May or MPs say, the ticking clock removes our bargaining power totally. |
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No. Miller voted Remain. She is on record talking a "The Week" reporter that when she heard the result she "felt sick to the stomach" and that her son persuaded her to "do something about it" and that she isn't trying to thwart Brexit by the back door because "she doesn't do anything by the back door".
Dos Santos claimed to have voted remain back in July but has now apparently changed that statement to say he voted Leave. We will never know. Seems odd to me that someone would vote Leave and then try and get the Government who is capable of carrying out the leave verdict to be potentially blocked from doing what you voted for! I will take his "I voted leave" comments with a pinch of salt. As an aside Head of IPSA the press regulation body on Sky earlier taking about fake stories. It came up that Mail has been referred to them around these court case/judge articles. He more a less said action will be taken. Talked about our democracy being at stake with false story reporting. |
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So May and co come up with a plan. Parliament mulls it over and either tweaks it a bit or doesn't.
They trigger A50 and the clock starts ticking. They reject our plan. What cards do we have left .... we are leaving anyway inside two years no matter what. Seems like it doesn't matter what May or MPs say, the ticking clock removes our bargaining power totally. No FoM means we can take part in the CU (which is the bare minimum the majority of Parliament wants). We might be able to get a few more concession such as free access to the single market and some kind of passporting by committing to paying into the pot and because we have some security/military "cards" we can play to our advantage. |
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That was the said at Tory Conference and the pound crashed. It's crept back up in basis that UK isn't going for that deal. If it comes back the pound will be below 1.20 this time.
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When will get it that the court cases aren't about blocking the referendum vote. I know Daily Mail and Express have been spinning lies but enough people on here have explained.
As an aside Head of IPSA the press regulation body on Sky earlier taking about fake stories. It came up that Mail has been referred to them around these court case/judge articles. He more a less said action will be taken. |
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#181 |
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Yet another bitter and divisive post from you and you have a cheek to start a thread about how the Country can unite?
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... because we have some security/military "cards" we can play to our advantage.
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No surprise considering it has been proven that out of all Leave voters, 70% read the Express as their main source of news and 60% the Daily Mail.
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You do realise that adds up to 130% dont you?
I read neither and voted Leave. |
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30% could read both.
I read neither and voted Leave. |
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So May and co come up with a plan. Parliament mulls it over and either tweaks it a bit or doesn't.
They trigger A50 and the clock starts ticking. They reject our plan. What cards do we have left .... we are leaving anyway inside two years no matter what. Seems like it doesn't matter what May or MPs say, the ticking clock removes our bargaining power totally. We do import more from them than we export to them. It makes sense if both sides can approach the forthcoming brexit negotiations with realistic expectations. I wouldn't be surprised if we wind up with a "Canada plus" style deal. |
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30% could read both.
I read neither and voted Leave.
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He did say their "main" source. So couldn't be both.
Out of all Leave voters polled it was 70% Express, 70% Sun, 66% Mail. |
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We don't have any cards in the first place. There is only a limited amount of options. It's all a bluff by May and the three stooges to keep the masses placated.
No FoM means we can take part in the CU (which is the bare minimum the majority of Parliament wants). We might be able to get a few more concession such as free access to the single market and some kind of passporting by committing to paying into the pot and because we have some security/military "cards" we can play to our advantage. |
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We also import a lot of products from the EU and they won't want to ruin an important export market for themselves.
Also we would have to conduct custom checks on all imported goods the same way. We don't have any FTAs so have to play by the WTO rules. |
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Not this old chestnut. We do not have the infrastructure to carry out customs checks, they do. We do rely on parts coming to our factories, they do much less.
Also we would have to conduct custom checks on all imported goods the same way. We don't have any FTAs so have to play by the WTO rules. I mean, we've got 2 years to set this up. |
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is it really beyond the capacity of the UK to expand its customs checking facilities, if necessary?
I mean, we've got 2 years to set this up.
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Not this old chestnut. We do not have the infrastructure to carry out customs checks, they do. We do rely on parts coming to our factories, they do much less.
Also we would have to conduct custom checks on all imported goods the same way. We don't have any FTAs so have to play by the WTO rules. |
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Blame NatCen for their wording. The question to over 30,000 people was "which newspaper do you read most often"
Out of all Leave voters polled it was 70% Express, 70% Sun, 66% Mail.
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Blame NatCen for their wording. The question to over 30,000 people was "which newspaper do you read most often"
Out of all Leave voters polled it was 70% Express, 70% Sun, 66% Mail. |
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Dos Santos claimed to have voted remain back in July but has now apparently changed that statement to say he voted Leave. We will never know. Seems odd to me that someone would vote Leave and then try and get the Government who is capable of carrying out the leave verdict to be potentially blocked from doing what you voted for! I will take his "I voted leave" comments with a pinch of salt.
You will recall that Stephen Phillips, a Conservative MP who voted Leave, resigned his seat because the government were trying to ush it through without consulting parliament. |
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I'm fed up with all this hard/soft Brexit jargon. Why don't we just aim to get the "best" Brexit for Britain?
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Possibly he did not like the way it was being implemented?
You will recall that Stephen Phillips, a Conservative MP who voted Leave, resigned his seat because the government were trying to ush it through without consulting parliament. What would be the point of voting Leave in a once in a lifetime referendum just to have that opportunity at risk of being stopped? You'd wait until the negotiations had started before campaigning for a better deal. It's like Turkey's being spared from a Christmas slaughter but then getting slaughtered anyway! |
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We don't have any cards in the first place. There is only a limited amount of options. It's all a bluff by May and the three stooges to keep the masses placated.
No FoM means we can take part in the CU (which is the bare minimum the majority of Parliament wants). We might be able to get a few more concession such as free access to the single market and some kind of passporting by committing to paying into the pot and because we have some security/military "cards" we can play to our advantage. Climes that can fulfill your idea of utopia of a trading block that will suffice for you. |
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If you honestly believe that I suggest you have no faith in this country or this government so it is probably best you leave for better climes.
Climes that can fulfill your idea of utopia of a trading block that will suffice for you. |
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